Bad, Just Bad and Ugly...Five U.S. soldiers killed.

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    Bad, Just Bad and Ugly...Five U.S. soldiers killed.

    Five U.S. soldiers killed.

    Our thoughts and prayers go out to their families.
    Official: 5 killed after U.S. soldier opens fire on Iraq base - CNN.com
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    Utterly tragic! :(

    Here's what bothered me a little bit..."The incident happened at Camp Liberty's stress clinic, where U.S. service members are treated for psychological conditions, the sources said."

    It doesn't go into specifics as to whether or not the shooter was being treated for a psych condition there or if there was another reason he was at Camp Liberty. I'm wondering (not looking to place blame, simply wondering) if he WAS being treated, if maybe precautions should/could have been taken that maybe he shouldn't have had access to a firearm?

    Whatever the case, this is just horrific.
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    Hmmm, and I used to consider that a pretty low-risk run...

    Tragic, but not entirely unexpected. Take that number of people, expose them to this amount of stress, and someone somewhere is bound to break. When that person has an M4 and lots of ammo and training, things don't end well. It doesn't help that no one on VBC (or any other base over here) is allowed to carry their weapon with a magazine inserted, much less with a round chambered - so the only one able to shoot immediately is the one who has lost it...
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    Thumbs down BAD***U.S. Soldier Suspected of Killing Fellow Troops at Camp Liberty

    crazy stuff happens everywhere, sounds like the workplace violence were used to here.

    U.S. Soldier Suspected of Killing Fellow Troops at Camp Liberty - ABC News
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    Soldier in Custody After Incident at Camp Liberty Stress Clinic
    By LUIS MARTINEZ and MARTHA RADDATZ
    May 11, 2009

    An American soldier is in custody in Iraq today, suspected of killing five U.S. soldiers after a shooting at a clinic at Camp Liberty, a military spokesman in Baghdad confirmed today.
    Employees of the stress clinic near the Baghdad airport, as well as those seeking psychological treatment, were among the dead, officials told ABC News.

    An Army official also said four others are wounded, including the alleged shooter. It is not yet clear if his wounds were self-inflicted or if he was shot by someone else.

    ABC News has also learned the alleged shooter was on his third deployment and was recently referred for mental health issues, though he had not previously sought help for combat stress, according to a senior Defense official.

    A February 2008 study by the U.S. Army Medical Command found that male noncommissioned officers on their third or fourth deployments were more than twice as likely to be suffering from mental health issues than those on their first deployment.

    Today Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the deaths at Camp Liberty will receive the highest level of attention from the U.S. government.

    "We are still in the process of gathering information on exactly what happened," Gates said this afternoon. "But if the preliminary reports are confirmed, such a tragic loss of life at the hands of our own forces is a cause for great and urgent concern. And I can assure you that it will get this department's highest priority attention."

    "Any time we lose one of our own, it affects us all," said Multi-National Corps Iraq spokesman Col. John Robinson in a Monday statement. "Our hearts go out to the families and friends of all the service members involved in this terrible tragedy."

    White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said President Obama would meet with Gates this afternoon about the shooting.

    "He was shocked by the news of this incident and will press to ensure that we fully understand what happened at the clinic and that we are doing everything we can to ensure that our men and women in uniform are protected," Gibbs said.

    There's no word on which unit the soldiers belonged to. The incident is under investigation.

    More information is expected to come after the families of those involved in the incident are notified.

    It's not the first time a U.S. soldier has been suspected of harming his peers. In March 2003, Army sergeant Hasan Akbar killed two and wounded 14 others in a grenade attack in Kuwait in the days leading up to the start of the second Iraq War. He was later convicted and sentenced to death.

    Eleven U.S. service members have been killed or died in Iraq in the month of May, including those who died in the incident at Camp Victory.

    Sunday another soldier was killed in the southern city of Basra during an attack against his patrol
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    I have this running with the story from CNN.com. Merge??
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    This is just great, now Obama and Janet Napolitano will continue to place more scrutiny on veterans as potential terrorists!
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    Couldn't be worse...fire from those you live with and trust.
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    I don't get it.

    Why kill your fellow soldiers?

    Why not just commit suicide?
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    I hope he gets the same death sentence as US Sergeant Hasan Akbar (aka Mark Fidel Kools) The coward that threw grenades in the tents of fellow soldiers while they were sleeping during the beginning of the war. The mental illness defense didn't work for Kools and hopefully it won't for this dirtbag!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    It doesn't go into specifics as to whether or not the shooter was being treated for a psych condition there or if there was another reason he was at Camp Liberty.
    The latest, he was a patient there.
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    I really don't know what to say. It's not the first time, and sadly, I'm afraid, won't be the last time this type of incident will happen. My heart goes out to the victims of this massacre.
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    Just terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunny View Post
    Utterly tragic! :(

    Here's what bothered me a little bit..."The incident happened at Camp Liberty's stress clinic, where U.S. service members are treated for psychological conditions, the sources said."

    It doesn't go into specifics as to whether or not the shooter was being treated for a psych condition there or if there was another reason he was at Camp Liberty. I'm wondering (not looking to place blame, simply wondering) if he WAS being treated, if maybe precautions should/could have been taken that maybe he shouldn't have had access to a firearm?

    Whatever the case, this is just horrific.
    According to this he had been disarmed. It's a military base, I just can't imagine someone else's gun and ammunition would be difficult to acquire with all those unloaded sidearms around. The only defense against an active shooter is an armed potential victim. Why on earth are military bases victim disarmament zones?

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    I tell you, we need additional gun control laws in Iraq. There is no reason for those soldiers in Iraq to own and bear firearms.

    These soldiers don't have a need for personal weapons. If there is a problem, they can simply call the Iraqi police... and wait

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