Must read! Truth about s. Florida shooting

Must read! Truth about s. Florida shooting

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    Must read! Truth about s. Florida shooting

    August issue American Handgunner. This is a must read - this completely confirms Threat Focused Training. The quick summary is a 71 yr od ex-marine is carrying a 6+1 Para .45 with an extra clip and a .22 BUG. Held up by two armed assailants,he gives upa wallet with a couple hundred dollars and is told to go into the restroom. The 71 yr old is familiar with the women in Chicago who were held up and murdered in a back room after complying with robbers. He pulls his gun and hit one assailant in the leg, torso and head - that individual dropped. The second assailant , we come to find out later, was hit 2" above the heart; he ran into the front door of the Subway restuarant , fell and went 300 yds where he was later found. Here is the important comments which have only been given to American handgunner:
    1. He instinctively shot one handed!
    2. He "discovered what a chilling experience it can be to run out of ammo." While in the gunfight, he was acutely aware of possible other lookouts, getaway drivers, etc. who might be armed. He fumbled for his spare magazine.
    3. He completely forgot about his back up gun
    4. He now carrys a para with 10+1
    After finishing Brownie's class, I sold my treasured Colt Officers.45 (6+1) for the very reason that our 71 yr old marine is now carrying 10+1. I replaced it with a Glock 19 - it's an issue of concealability, stopping power and CAPACITY!!
    READ THIS ARTICLE AND THINK THROUGH YOUR OWN SITUATION!!
    FYI, the robber who was hit in the chest, 2" above the heart, was 5"10", 170 lbs. Your comments are requested.


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    FYI, his gun "never came up to line of sight." All instinctive point shooting.

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    Great shooting, One Point there are no Ex Marines!
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    None of the other stories I've come across mention a BUG or the make of the gun, only the caliber is referenced. Do you have a source verifying the particulars?

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    In the current issue of American handgunner, the marine gives exclusive comments regarding the incident. Pls note:
    1. Never took a line of sight
    2. Shot one handed
    3. Shot until empty and was acutely aware of slide back condition
    4. Forgot about his BUG
    5. His new Replacement EDC has more capacity - lesson learned.

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    In the 1975, my radio rang out; 1199, shots fired, officer down, units responding? I called out 732, as I heard 28-1, 32-1 and 32-2. As it turned out, it was a detective and his partner working on a tip that a liquor store was to be hit within 30-minutes. Unfortunately, the robber arrived early with a shotgun and the detective fired in the exact same manner as the Ex-Marine: leg, torso, and head. Like the Marine, he instinctively began to shoot as soon as his gun cleared his holster, while sweeping from foot to head. The detective took one in the stomach and lived, although he was medically retired. BTW: The situation was code-4 (under control) way before I ever arrived but I won't forget how all went down.
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    OK, for those like me that want to read the article, the digital copy is available here and is able to be downloaded if you find the on-line version as annoying as I did:

    American Handgunner July/August 2009

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    Good article typical of Ayoob's writing, other lessons learned are to NOT keep a magazine where it will fall inside your pants, and despite the hype, one with proper training WILL disengage the safety of a 1911 without knowing it during presentation.

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    I told you so.
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    What's that saying? "To err is human, to forgive is divine, fortunately neither is Marine Corps policy." I love that. Oorah! to this man for taking care of business!








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    Bunny you mean "OORAH"

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    I really love reading the Ayoob files, but a good editor would make the read more enjoyable. I'm only 32, so a little young to be a curmudgeon, but the shift of tense in his writing can be really distracting.

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    I come away from this article with renewed enthusiasm for:
    1. One handed training
    2. Instinctive point shooting skills
    3. More consistent practise drawing from concealed position and first shot hit -six feet and closer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dwyermw View Post
    I come away from this article with renewed enthusiasm for:
    1. One handed training
    2. Instinctive point shooting skills
    3. More consistent practise drawing from concealed position and first shot hit -six feet and closer.
    Agreed 100%, you will fight like you train.

    Don't forget to incorporate you BUG in the training scenarios.
    While people are saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, ... and they will not escape. 1Th 5:3

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