This is a discussion on CHL Man kills attempted carjacker in NE Houston within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by redstgunnut The shooter likely has problems. He was not in jeopardy, if ever, until after he confronted a man over property. Apparently ...
McDonalds, Burger King, exc. are always hiring, he had choices and chose wrong.
Bottom line, am I glad he is dead---no, I just wish they would not put themselves in that situation to happen. I do happen to agree with Texas law----If property is not worth defending then why have it??
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Assuming the details are correct ...
A criminal is stopped in the act of a property crime ... goes on to commit further property crimes ... is witnessed violently attacking another resident ... and then attacks a man and his wife directly. The man stops the criminal's attack, and the criminal dies later in hospital.
I'd say it's sufficient justification to stop the attack.
It'll hinge on the details, and it's hard to assume that we've got them based on one news article.
So, it's hard to say what sufficient force would be, because one cannot know how vicious or violent the criminal's attack on the couple was. Obviously the criminal wasn't afraid or daunted in the least, by having two people there. And ... it's Texas, which doesn't allow charges via D.A. whim.
Thank God for no flee laws. Texes has it right on the mark. The citizens of this country can protect it better than the police. To the gentlemen that asked about the BGs feelings, I almost **** myself laughing at your remarks. Sorry his feelings were thrown out the window when he decided to violate others property. Just my .02
Last edited by Captain Crunch; June 9th, 2009 at 01:12 PM. Reason: Language workarounds.
Feeling sorry for the bad guy. Are they kidding? My sympathy is for the victims of his crime, not the criminal. Whatever circumstances that lead to his decision to resort to crime do not matter at all. He CHOSE that path and this is the consequences to be paid for it. All occupations have hazards. Apparently in Texas it is extremely hazardous to carjack with an armed citizen standing by.
There have been times I did without, had menial jobs and ate hot dogs and bologna until we could afford better. Did I resort to stealing? No, I have more pride, knowing that someday I will get out of the bad stuff. Feeling no sorrow for the criminal at all. He got everything he deserved and more. Good riddance and may more of them bite the dust just like this one.
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I heard the 911 tape of Joe Horn's shooting (ONCE). In it he called on the BG's to stop and then said something like this: oh they are on my property and coming toward me I am afraid for my life (or safety don't remember) sound of gun shots. I remember at the time that he had covered all the bases ON TAPE that makes it a good shoot. Even here in Texas I never heard the whole tape again! All they played was the first part where the 911 operator was telling him to stand down. For what it is worth the next day I went over to my neighbor and asked him to protect my home if I was away and he asked me the same thing so we will be covered on that question.
I'll have to agree with the "Space Cowboy"
Down here in Texas we don't care about your life experience or how bad you have had things in life.
With that being said, I will continue; Life is about choices. Everyday you make a choice that can potentially affect the rest of your life, like when you decide to get married or have children. This individual chose to burglarize cars and harass people and attempt to carjack someone's vehicle.
They used to hang horse thieves down here in the good old days. I admire the guy and his wife for having the stones to stand up to this cretin and give him his due. My only problem with them was attempting to save the BG after they shot him. Not because they felt guilty about shooting him, but of the health hazards regarding disease, etc. Better left to EMS folks.
As far as whether he will be charged or not, I doubt it seriously even more so than Joe Horn. Joe Horn had police on the way. These folks called twice and got no response. The BG in question didn't leave after confronted and caught, he simply moved on to other potential victims, with no intention whatsoever of stopping. When he was physically restrained from committing further crimes, he became violent and got what he deserved.
Really, people we should be cheering this guy and buying him a beer. I guess it just shows how far we have slipped morally as a country when people even think this guy should be charged with any crime......
"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined". - Patrick Henry
I think it's time to move to Texas...
Don't frisk me, I am the weapon.
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I know this wasn't in NC, but for the record, per NCGS 15A-404, a private person is allowed to detain someone "in a reasonable manner considering the offense involved and the circumstances of the detention" when he has "probable cause to believe that the person detained has committed in his presence:
(1) A felony,
(2) A breach of the peace,
(3) A crime involving physical injury to another person, or
(4) A crime involving theft or destruction of property."
I think even in NC a case could be made for this being legal self-defense. The shooter had a right to detain the thief and he did not use deadly force or even threaten deadly force until his assailant attacked him and his life was in jeopardy.
It may have been dangerous and unwise by today's standards, but I applaud him for helping protect his community and wish more people felt a duty to do the same.
I won't be surprised to see the Sheriff taking the shooter out to lunch some time. This is just one less bad guy for patrol to worry about and one more free bed in the lock up. This guy just died from terminal stupidity. It is no secret, you do bad stuff in Texas long enough, someone is going to shoot you for it. Heck, I would like them set up a fund to reimburse the shooters in cases like this for the cost of their expended ammo. Considering how much they are saving the taxpayers I think it's the least we can do.
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I think he has problems, how can you fear for your life when you approached a second time. While I dont think the shooter was the aggressor, I do think its going to be hard to prove your life was in danger. Good Luck!!!!!