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OrlandoSentinel.com - Orlando Florida breaking news, sports, entertainment, weather, traffic and more -- OrlandoSentinel.com
See: Homeowner with criminal record kills mask intruder.
We had a rather odd home invasion last night. Will the cops arrest the homeowner? They haven't charged him yet.
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Interesting for sure. Does anyone know anything about the Florida state laws in regards to Justifiable Force in defense of Habitation?
Here's one to make you think!
Felon(Home Owner)+Hand Gun(?)=Felony possession of firearm
Home Owner shoots invader(in his home)=justifiable use of deadly force
Is the home owners "lengthy criminal record" recent? The article states that he is 50 yrs. old but does not mention the time frame of his convictions. Is this possibly a person who screwed up bad as a kid and has straightened out? Does a criminal record mean he can no longer defend himself and his family IN HIS HOME.
I am not arguing that he should be legaly allowed to carry, but in his home?
This is not a question of whether he broke a law. The question in my mind is whether the laws need to take into account recent behaviour and actions.
Again the moral snag that I am hitting revolves around the possibilty that he might be a reformed criminal. As rare as that animal may be...
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Originally Posted by Tom G
Here's the important part of the article...
"...kills masked intruder..."
"That I cannot do."
"Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks."
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I'm interested to see how this plays out, just because I LIVE in this city...personally I hope he gets off. It would be comforting to know that my local Sheriff's department is sympathetic to homeowners should I ever need to defend my home.
On face value of the story I doubt the home owner will face charges in the shooting of the crook. However he will probably face charges for a felon in possession of a weapon.
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I've seen cases before where the shooting was found justifiable but the guy was convicted of Illegal possession of the firearm
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
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Two things to note:
1. This is like a double negative in real life
2. I guess in the end two wrong doers made a right
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I've read of multiple stories toward same, as this case should and likely will be.
The only firearm felons generally are allowed to posses under state laws is a primitive weapon e.g. muzzleloader.
Aside from that he's committing a parole violation _and_ a felony by being a felon in possession of a firearm.
Notable exception though being that in FL by state law the firearm must be an antique as defined by FS 790.001.
FL resident felons can verify as much and more at; http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/...0/titl0790.htm
Bottom line:
Do not commit felony crimes and you will not lose your civil rights.
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"...[Victim] Clayton Montford also has a long criminal record and served prison time for cocaine possession. Montford has been arrested in Orange County at least 25 times..." - Seminole County Sheriff's Lt. James Clark
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
"A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing
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I waffle on what I want to see happen here.
He IS a convicted felon, not a Boy Scout.
He IS in illegal possession of a weapon.
IF all the facts are accurate, he did defend himself and family.
Just a note on something you probably know but just took too long to type, LEOs won't make the determination. State's Attorney will.
He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliott
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I would think Felony Possession is what hes up against.
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There's more to this story.
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Well, there's being a felon via action, and having been convicted of felonious action a long while ago.
I'm of the opinion that someone who made early mistakes should not have the right to defend (even via lethal force) himself and family in his own home. My $0.02.
Don't know what the situation is, here, but I'm assuming that "convicted felon" means the crimes were historical paid for, not just last week and he's on the lam.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
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Are you absolutely certain that you have never committed a felony? I'm not!
I've said it before, but I find it distressing that no one agrees with Patrick Henry's sentiments of "Give me liberty or give me death." We seem (as a nation) reluctant to deprive someone of life for the most heinous of crimes, but don't bat an eye about depriving someone of their liberty. If someone has committed a crime that cannot be paid off or forgiven, they ought to be executed. If it doesn't warrant execution, it ought not warrant permanent loss of rights.
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Those who will not govern their own behavior are slaves waiting for a master; one will surely find them.
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Exactly so.
Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
Thoughts: Justifiable self defense.
Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
NRA, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.
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