Wally world shopper fights armed robber in Texas

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    Wally world shopper fights armed robber in Texas

    KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Video, Seattle, Western Washington

    Wish the shopper had a concealed weapon on him!
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    Wow..I am in Denison tonite...just a couple of miles up the road....

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    I think about situations like that (when one would least expect it) each and every time I'm in a parking lot (Home Depot, Mall, Food Mart, etc.). I watch everyone and and every movement around me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfshead View Post
    Wish the shopper had a concealed weapon on him!
    At what point would he have been justified in using it?

    A deadly weapon is not I hope our first or only response!
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    can happen at any place, at any time.
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    Thumper:
    in TX I am not sure.
    in WA when he was "in fear of his life or serous injury"
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbrenke View Post
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    in TX I am not sure.
    in WA when he was "in fear of his life or serous injury"
    It's hard to tell for sure but I think he looked perfectly able to defend himself. In my state, just saying you were in fear isn't enough. That fear has to be reasonable... and a fear any "common" person would have had.

    I did not see anything that would have justified the use of deadly force in that video and I am of course ruling out drawing down to scare the bad guy.

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    The whole deadly force thing comes down to what he was "armed" with. Most likely a knife, and at that range that is definitely justification.

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    What a crappy video. I couldn't tell who was who, what color anyone was, the particulars of their clothing ... how in the world are you supposed to identify anyone with a video like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    At what point would he have been justified in using it?

    A deadly weapon is not I hope our first or only response!
    In Texas, you use whatever means are necessary to "stop the threat." Those are the magic words. Never "feared for my life." Here, it's all about "stopping the threat."

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    Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:
    (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and
    (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
    (A) to protect the actor against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
    (B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.

    (b) The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
    (1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
    (A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
    (B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
    (C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
    (2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
    (3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
    (c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.
    (d) For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.
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    And, to the best of my knowledge, there has never been an instance where a 'no bill' wasn't awarded to a legally-armed Texan defending his/her self, family, property or others...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thumper View Post
    At what point would he have been justified in using it?

    A deadly weapon is not I hope our first or only response!
    Armed robbery is not justified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    Armed robbery is not justified?
    Armed? I must have missed that. I watched it again and heard the reporter say "armed" but I didn't see anything but fist flying. The video was pretty poor. Also this time I heard the Detective say "aggravated". A weapon present turns the whole thing around if there was one.

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    The story also once again demonstrates that video is a worthless crime deterrent. I'm glad that we weren't watching a victim get killed or permanently injured. As far as deadly force is concerned, once an attacker gets you on the ground, you're only one excited footstomp away from being killed or turned into a vegetable. If you want to trust that your attacker has some sense of "honor" or "self control" and will break off his attack as soon as you're down... be my guest.
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