Ugly: Slain Woman Also Accidentally Shot By Police

Ugly: Slain Woman Also Accidentally Shot By Police

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    Ugly: Slain Woman Also Accidentally Shot By Police

    Slain Woman Also Accidentally Shot By Police - Local News Story - KHBS NW Arkansas

    FAYETTEVILLE, Ark. -- What was already a gruesome killing turned even more disturbing Monday as the autopsy results were made available.

    Police say they got to 26-year-old Jill Ulmer's Fayetteville apartment Friday night as the suspect was stabbing her.

    Officers said they were trying to stop 41-year-old Ricky Anderson from killing his ex-girlfriend when they opened fire into the apartment.

    Monday, the Fayetteville Police Department said one of those gunshots fired by an officer actually hit Ulmer and is listed as her cause of death, along with multiple stab wounds.

    Police also confirmed that Ulmer was pregnant.

    Some are running out of words to describe the situation.

    "It's absolutely horrible. Fayetteville is a small town, and it's a friendly town, and I feel safe. I just feel bad for her family, and my prayers go out to her," said neighbor Anne Kearney.

    Neighbors still dealing with Friday night's killing got even more troubling news Monday when they learned a shot fired by police officers hit Ulmer while she was being stabbed.

    "That's awful, but I don't think they had another choice," Kearney said.

    Neighbors said police did everything they could to stop what was happening.

    New information also surfaced about the suspect.

    "We've had a few run-ins with him. He has been the subject of some investigations and some arrests," said Fayetteville police Sgt. Bill Phelan.

    Police said Anderson is a suspect in an alleged rape earlier this month. He also violated a protective order that Ulmer had against him and had previously broken into her apartment.

    Domestic violence experts said Ulmer's killing is an eye-opener.

    "It's kind of like a wakeup call to all of us in the community to keep our eyes open and be caring about anybody, particularly young pregnant women who might have had a violent person in their lives.," said Judi Selle of the Peace At Home Family Shelter.

    In a statement, the fayetteville Police Department said it is saddened by Ulmer's tragic death and that it was unfortunate that the officers' best efforts to save her life were unsuccessful.

    Anderson has been charged with second degree murder. His arraignment is scheduled for July 27.
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    Sad....

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    The worst part, the BG is going to enjoy 3 hots, a cot, and cable tv for the rest of his life, all at tax payers expense.

    Wish the cops shot better on this one.
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    That is tragic, but if the article is to be believed, it doens't sound like the police had much choice other than to shoot...
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    WOW.. That is soooooo sad,. Wish that bullet would have hit the mark,.. I feel for the family and the officer that pulled that trigger,. He has to live with that and it would be awful to have happen,..

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    Too bad that the BG wasn't the one who died instead.

    Just out of curiosity, I wonder what the marksmanship standards are like at that PD, or any others for that matter ? I have no idea what kind of shooting is expected from PO's.
    Anyone who can enlighten me ?

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    When you pull a trigger you are responsible for where the bullet ends up.

    Maybe no choice, but maybe really bad judgment or bad shooting.

    I hope this one gets looked into if only for the lessons to be learned. And for the officer's sake, also for the sake of the taxpayers, I hope there is plenty of evidence that the knife wounds would have been lethal all by themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    Anderson has been charged with second degree murder [emphasis added]. His arraignment is scheduled for July 27.
    I hope Arkansas law allows an upgrade for this....
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    I would not want to be a CHL,CCW,or whatever that in the course of firing to stop a threat you end up shooting the wrong person,you could find yourself charged with involuntary manslaughter if you got a overzealous prosecutor.You are responsible for every round you fire,and I can see a lawsuit coming against the Police on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    When you pull a trigger you are responsible for where the bullet ends up.

    Maybe no choice, but maybe really bad judgment or bad shooting.

    I hope this one gets looked into if only for the lessons to be learned. And for the officer's sake, also for the sake of the taxpayers, I hope there is plenty of evidence that the knife wounds would have been lethal all by themselves.
    I am sure it will be looked into by the family during the wrongful death lawsuit that is sure to arise from this tragedy.
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    Tragic!
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    Tragic indeed.

    So what choice did the police really have? Hold fire until the lady is dead and the BG drops the body, and then either shoot or just arrest, or shoot knowing the outcome could be a dead mother and unborn child (same as if not shooting) or possibly save two lives. No matter how small the chance of a good outcome, at least there was a chance that the victims may have come out alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    When you pull a trigger you are responsible for where the bullet ends up.

    Maybe no choice, but maybe really bad judgment or bad shooting.

    I hope this one gets looked into if only for the lessons to be learned. And for the officer's sake, also for the sake of the taxpayers, I hope there is plenty of evidence that the knife wounds would have been lethal all by themselves.
    My, uh.. , sentiments exactly. If she would have survived the stab wounds, that makes it worse.

    "Police said Anderson is a suspect in an alleged rape earlier this month. He also violated a protective order that Ulmer had against him and had previously broken into her apartment."

    And we all know how well those work, right ?

    We were debating a situation like this once, we all worked in the system and it was a real likelihood of running into this type situation... as we had run into one's close to it. What if you cannot take a shot at the assailant without a high risk of hitting the victim, my answer.... and it still is..... I'ld run up to the assailant with the gun to his head or near it before I pulled the trigger... I wouldnn't miss the assailant. My real point, I could not 'endanger' the victim even more by making any shots that I was not "sure of" where they were going to hit or the real target.

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    EagleKS,

    That's what I was thinking, why not get right up on the guy ?

    I'm sure that the officers did their best. This is just a bad situation all around.

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    Sad for this lady and her family, expecially because the dirtbag lived.

    Perhaps my viewpoint is a bit different (I do NOT have a death wish), but if I were being held as a hostage (and no weapon), I would prefer the SWAT team to come in blazing and take the dirtbag to his next life...if it means me too, so be it...but the dirtbag does not walk out.

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