All Good -- New Trend in South Florida Stores.....

All Good -- New Trend in South Florida Stores.....

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    South Florida Store Clerks Go Vigilante
    Sometimes they shoot, and sometimes they kill.
    By Gus Garcia-Roberts
    published: August, 2009

    Roxie Vizcarra

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    vigilante store clerks, South Florida It was pouring rain just after 1 p.m. Monday, July 20, when a man burst into a Honduran grocery store on NW 36th Street in Miami. A shirt was wrapped around his face as he gripped a black semiautomatic handgun. Twenty-year-old Charles Bell shoved the pistol into the face of a manager behind the counter. Then he demanded the contents of the cash register and cartons of cigarettes in a plastic bag.
    Next he began herding customers to the back of the small market.

    But when he returned to the counter to collect his loot, a short, well-built 24-year-old manager named Valentin Fiallos pointed a .38 and squeezed the trigger. As Bell scampered from the store, he turned and shot back several times. Fiallos, shielding himself, squeezed off several more rounds.

    The would-be robber missed every time, but the manager's aim was true. Bell burst out of the store and ran several steps before flopping onto the wet asphalt. A bullet to the chest killed him.

    Cops termed it "justifiable homicide." The ruling is backed up by former Gov. Jeb Bush's 2005 "Stand Your Ground" law, which offers wide-ranging legal protection to violent-crime victims who open fire on their aggressors before trying to make peace.

    All over South Florida, besieged employees are shooting back. A few blood-soaked examples:

    • On August 12, 2007, a 54-year-old Pembroke Pines Super Stop clerk pulled a handgun on a shotgun-wielding pair of robbers, killing one.

    • A month later, a clerk at OG's Corner Urban Wear in Oakland Park shot and whacked a 17-year-old robber.

    • Two months after that, the manager of a Naranja grocery store killed a 14-year-old ski-masked robber strapped with what turned out to be a BB gun.

    • In August last year, a Miami Gardens videogame store manager was murdered in a shootout after he nailed one of three armed robbers.

    • And here's a departure from the model. At a Biscayne Boulevard Burger King this past March, a customer with a permitted Glock ended the life of an armed robber in a firefight. The vigilante sustained hits from several bullets and is currently wrapping up physical therapy.

    Then there was last month's case of Fiallos killing Bell, which inspired a New Times road trip to find out more about clerks who shoot back. They never know who might walk in when that little bell on the door rings.

    First stop was the Pembroke Pines Stop-N-Go, where in December 2008, gas station manager Shedahe Abdel pulled a .45 from a side holster and wounded two armed gunmen.

    The burly 43-year-old Venezuelan immigrant keeps a clean shop and treats everybody, including shoplifters he catches on camera, with courtesy. But in the nine years he has managed Stop-N-Go stores, Abdel says, he has been targeted by armed robbers three times. The first two times, he cleaned out the cash register with no hesitation, but his wife and daughter were working in the store with him the second time. "I saw them lying on the floor crying," he recalls, "and I realized I had to buy the gun."

    So Abdel purchased a .45 Kimber for $1,100, took gun-handling classes, and read up on self-defense laws. "My boss said, 'Why do you want to make a problem?' But I told him: 'I have to protect myself and my family.'"

    The small black handgun remains holstered under his T-shirt, with the safety off. When robbers stormed his gas station that Monday in December, he didn't plan on drawing the weapon until they demanded cash from a safe that doesn't exist.

    He feared they might shoot a customer or his cowering wife and daughter. So he dodged the gunman's aim, plugged him in the arm, and then turned to fire a shot into the accomplice's leg.

    As one of the wounded gunmen dashed from the store, Abdel tended to the accomplice, 20-year-old Joshua Hammond, who was writhing on the ground with a leg wound. "He told me: 'Call my daddy,'" recalls the manager. "The moment happens so fast, and you're so scared. Afterwards, you try to remember, If you didn't shoot him first... But then it's just, Oh, man, why did I do that?"

    Abdel pulls out a surprising document — a missive of gratitude from Hammond's grandmother, handwritten on yellow lined paper and dated December 30, 2008, the day after the shooting. "I am sending you this letter because I want to apologize for the actions my grandson Joshua Hammond took toward you and your customers," wrote Shirley Riettie. "I am very grateful that you didn't take his life. I know it would have been justified."

    Next is a Quik Stop on NE Second Avenue at 29th Street in Miami. It's home to a check-cashing counter, so the place is usually bustling. Manning the counter is Wilfredo Linares, an animated co-owner with gel-plastered hair, a sinewy frame, and an undying affection for the large black Glock tucked under the register.

    In late 2007, he says, a beefy 44-year-old man named Anthony Tice cashed a $435 paycheck — and must have watched Linares pull big bills from one of two Dutch Master boxes under the counter. Twenty minutes later, Tice returned with a shirt over his face and a gun in his hand. Tice put the black metal snout to Linares's temple and demanded both cigar boxes, says the co-owner. Then he made off with around $7,000.The store owner gave Tice's photo and driver's license information, all stored in his computer webcam, to police.

    Two weeks later, though, Tice was still a free man. He came back — to cash another check. Linares's stepbrother, who was behind the counter, whipped out the Glock to keep Tice in the store while Linares called the cops. Tice, already a multiple felon with grand theft auto and cocaine possession convictions on his record, wasn't packing. He stuck around until police carted him off. Trial for the robbery is scheduled later this month.

    Linares has little faith in the law. "This is our police!" he declares, pointing at his handgun. "This is our state attorney!"

    Later, outside a Texaco on a barren stretch of NE 103rd Street, a hand-scrawled sign reads, "Those who come into the store with bad intentions, think twice to avoid problems." The mini-mart's walls are adorned with closed-circuit still photos of shoplifters caught red-handed. One image appears to show a manager holding a handgun to a thief's head. Asked about guns, the clerk doesn't respond. He just taps a bulge under his T-shirt, grins widely, and then goes back to organizing cartons of Newports.

    Then it's on to Ahmed Alamimi's convenience store, located in what he calls the "Triangle of Death" — a nine-block Opa-locka tract bordered on every side by metal barriers designed to prevent drive-by shootings. The manager "considered" a gun but decided it invites trouble. "You don't treat the residents with respect, and they'll rob you every week," he says before adding that there hasn't been a stickup in at least two years. "Act courteously and kindly, and [your neighbors] will look out for you."

    Finally, it's over to the Honduran grocery on 36th Street, where Valentin Fiallos ended a robber's life July 20. His father, Miguel, now watches the store while the young man cools off in Honduras. "He's just a boy," Dad says. "He would have never thought he'd have to take a life."

    But the Fialloses certainly aren't paralyzed by regret. The day after the shooting, Miguel plunked down $647 at the Miami Police Supply gun shop. He wanted a new .38 for the store while cops hold the old weapon as evidence.
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    Almost all good news...this is the only way our society is going to be able to survive the 'roaming dirtbags'...arming yourself with the proper attitude. One must learn to protect himself, his family, and his business.


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    Shoot the Bad Guy is becoming a family sporting event here in the GunShine state. BG's don't like hard targets, if they don't want to get shot by their victims they should feel free to move to LA or NYC. Or to paraphrase the Brady Bunch "Be polite, you never know who is armed."

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    Memo to journalists:

    If you wish to write an even-handed or, shockingly enough, a favorable article about armed citizens, please put away your Mickey Spilane thesauri and refrain from using words like strapped, whacked, and vigilante. They make you sound like 13 year olds with serious envy, and nobody---least of all the pro gun crowd---will take you seriously.

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    kazz, it is an article by the New Times which is as left wing as Kremlin Chickens
    You have to make the shot when fire is smoking, people are screaming, dogs are barking, kids are crying and sirens are coming.
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    I wouldn't say it's all good. the reporter "Roxie", is positive in her story, but very damning in her descriptive language.
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    Wink hmmmmmm

    Quote Originally Posted by rstickle View Post
    I wouldn't say it's all good. the reporter "Roxie", is positive in her story, but very damning in her descriptive language.
    Does she have an e-mail address or a link to contact her? Maybe we should (as individuals not the forum) undertake her edumacation!
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    The writer is not the Roxie person but Gus Garcia-Roberts, here is the link to cantact him:
    Miami - Feedback
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    Few articles are printed word for word, you want to talk to whoever does the edits as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    kazz, it is an article by the New Times which is as left wing as Kremlin Chickens


    It's the fact that it reads like it is trying to be a favorable article that makes those vocabulary choices so frustrating. The liberal crowd (and I lump this reporter in, not knowing anything about the writer or the paper really) are so sickly fascinated with guns that they just can not approach the subject in a truly even-handed way.

    It's one thing when an article is a politically motivated hit job against guns and gun owners, but in an article like this the word choices bother me even more. *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miggy View Post
    The writer is not the Roxie person but Gus Garcia-Roberts, here is the link to cantact him:
    Miami - Feedback
    Oops, sorry 'bout that!
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    As usual, the silly, blind writers got it wrong. This was posted to the link for the writer. Who knows if it'll make any difference.

    Get it right.

    def, vigilante: (noun) A member of a self-appointed group of people who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority.

    As we all know, here, citizens engaged in the justifiable defense of their own lives are NOT in any way vigilantes illegally taking law enforcement into their own hands. They're merely refusing to acceded to terms dictated by murderers, armed robbers and rapists. They're giving the criminals what the criminals absolutely don't want: absolute refusal to die quietly. They're engaging in the one remaining act they have control over: refusal to negotiate over another's attempt to take their lives from them.

    By daring to call such upstanding people "vigilantes," you (the writer) are obviously daring to call their actions unjustifiable and illegal. By what standard? Justify that claim ... or change your tune, please. Your labeling and naming of upstanding people is an absolute affront to everyone who seeks justice, elimination of crime and support for people who bravely dare lift a finger in their own defense.
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    A few blood-soaked examples
    A month later, a clerk at OG's Corner Urban Wear in Oakland Park shot and whacked a 17-year-old robber.
    Two months after that, the manager of a Naranja grocery store killed a 14-year-old ski-masked robber strapped with what turned out to be a BB gun.
    The vigilante sustained hits from several bullets and is currently wrapping up physical therapy.
    The small black handgun remains holstered under his T-shirt, with the safety off
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    Linares has little faith in the law. "This is our police!" he declares, pointing at his handgun. "This is our state attorney!"
    Wow...look at this fine piece of "unbiased" journalism. I can't tell at all how the writer feels about hand guns or self defense...nope, not one bit...
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    That's not sensationalist reporting at all...

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    The one thing that I need to say here is that I disagree with the one convenience store employee's move to merely wound the assailant in the leg. Sorry if this causes a stir, but I believe that you shoot to kill. You have no business pulling the trigger if you aren't prepared to end the life of whatever you've got in your sights.
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