US Militia Movement - Page 2

US Militia Movement

This is a discussion on US Militia Movement within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Southern Poverty Law Center, this group would just rather the constitution be written in pencil so they could edit the text to fit their liberal ...

Page 2 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast
Results 16 to 30 of 80

Thread: US Militia Movement

  1. #16
    Member Array mosouthpaw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Missouri
    Posts
    76
    Southern Poverty Law Center, this group would just rather the constitution be written in pencil so they could edit the text to fit their liberal leftist ideals....


  2. #17
    Member Array natticarry's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    cincinnati
    Posts
    138
    Judicial review in itself is not really in the constitution but since the constitution was silent on who decided what was and wasn't constitutional the courts took it upon themselves and it is the best solution we have available to us.

    To state that the process is constitutional makes anything that comes out of it constitutional is not really much of an argument. If an anti-free speech party controlled the Senate and the White House, and a meteor dropped on the supreme court killing all 9 justices. Any law that was passed to eliminate free speech would still be unconstitutional even if reviewed by the supreme court and upheld. This is a very unlikely scenario but an illustration of how following process does not mean the laws that come out are constitutional.

  3. #18
    Ex Member Array quantum36's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Southern Alabama
    Posts
    159
    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    This is simply not true. Every piece of proposed legislation is examined for constitutionality. If something passes which "might not be" constitutional it can be, and often is challenged, immediately by one group or another.

    If something survives the court's review, then by definition it is constitutional.

    We do not have unconstitutional governance. We have individual issues on which there are sometimes legitimate points of contention,
    but so long as the courts exist, so long as the Supreme Court exists and is available to accept challenges, we have constitutional government.

    We live in a very complex society with 300 million people from very many different backgrounds and with very many different points of view. Uncle can't please everyone all the time, and those who are unhappy inevitably look to the constitution to justify their viewpoint. Under the constitution there are only 9 people, a president, and the 535 members of congress whose opinion on constitutionality count. When Congress passes a law, a president signs it, and the courts reject a challenge, that law is fully constitutional.
    I guess you didn't hear about the gun confiscations during Hurricane Katrina. Police and National Guardsmen kicking down doors, breaking and entering people's homes and stealing property without any warrants whatsoever.

    Yeah,..... "real constitutional".

  4. #19
    Member Array SHOOTER13's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    PENNSYLVANIA
    Posts
    260

    Lightbulb Watch this video...

    This is exactly how I feel our founding fathers would react to our allowing the Constitution to be trampled on...

    YouTube - We The People Stimulus Package
    SHOOTER13
    ================
    DoD: Peace thru Superior Firepower

  5. #20
    Senior Member Array TucAzRider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    Tucson
    Posts
    792
    Quote Originally Posted by ErnieNWillis View Post
    I believe trolls exist on this forum.
    You guessed right.. And I can name a few for sure.. .


    For anyone to sit here and say the Brady bill is "Constitutional"... hmmm.. That was voted in,.. Wasn't it???

  6. #21
    Distinguished Member Array ErnieNWillis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Willis, TX
    Posts
    1,230
    Quote Originally Posted by TucAzRider View Post
    You guessed right.. And I can name a few for sure.. .


    For anyone to sit here and say the Brady bill is "Constitutional"... hmmm.. That was voted in,.. Wasn't it???

    This particular troll is one who is blatantly obvious. I have run across him on numerous threads and just shake my head in utter amazement that he hasn't been called out yet.

  7. #22
    Member Array Chroode's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Location
    Panama City Beach, FL
    Posts
    246

  8. #23
    VIP Member
    Array ctr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Location
    Shenandoah Valley in Virginia
    Posts
    2,577
    I am just a simple man. Not overly educated. Certainly no lawyer. I go about my days tending to my business, making a living, and living within the law.

    I love my country, would fight and die for it. But even I, a simple man, can tell when my government is kicking me in the groin. And fellas, I'm hurting now.

  9. #24
    Distinguished Member Array Stetson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    Augusta,Maine
    Posts
    1,635
    I do believe there is a great distrust for the government at all levels as they have been screwing us at all levels for years! Just watch the national news,I don't care what channel you watch.We all watched the guy in Pennsylvania give Arlene Specter more than he wanted.He was part of the great cover up of Warren Commission that's for another discussion.It seems no one wants what the President selling, especially if you are a doctor.I don't want my fees set and frozen after all time spent training for low wages with huge student loans waiting to be paid ! Remember,physicians start practices and hire people to assist and run the office.The good one pay above average wages.Last point,everything our government touches it screws up !Even though our President says he isn't a socialist maybe he should read Karl Marx teachings and he said it wouldn't work.
    Last edited by Stetson; August 12th, 2009 at 05:11 PM. Reason: delete partial sentence

  10. #25
    Member Array steelhawk's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    339
    At one point in the 90s there was a militia forming in my county. Because of negative press, it was disbanded.

    I would like to see it reformed.

    Since I know what the people are like who live in my area, it would not be a terrorist group, or white supremist but would be composed of law abiding, patriotic, country loving citizens.

  11. #26
    VIP Member Array automatic slim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    The western edge of The Confederacy
    Posts
    2,198

    Wasn't Obama the one that said......

    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    This is simply not true. Every piece of proposed legislation is examined for constitutionality. If something passes which "might not be" constitutional it can be, and often is challenged, immediately by one group or another.

    If something survives the court's review, then by definition it is constitutional.

    We do not have unconstitutional governance. We have individual issues on which there are sometimes legitimate points of contention,
    but so long as the courts exist, so long as the Supreme Court exists and is available to accept challenges, we have constitutional government.

    We live in a very complex society with 300 million people from very many different backgrounds and with very many different points of view. Uncle can't please everyone all the time, and those who are unhappy inevitably look to the constitution to justify their viewpoint. Under the constitution there are only 9 people, a president, and the 535 members of congress whose opinion on constitutionality count. When Congress passes a law, a president signs it, and the courts reject a challenge, that law is fully constitutional.
    Don't read it, just sign it............
    "First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand."
    Edge of Darkness

  12. #27
    Member Array rmccoll's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    tennessee
    Posts
    54
    This just deflection. MSM referencing the Southern Poverty Law Center is like referencing Moveon.org. Neither has any credibility with people who understand the source.

  13. #28
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    12,126

    Here's how it works, for real, not in imagination

    Quote Originally Posted by automatic slim View Post
    Don't read it, just sign it............
    Here's how it works for real, not in folks imaginations.
    Every bill is looked at for constitutionality. There can of course be legitimate disagreements as to whether or not something is constitutional, but Congress gets the first shot at deciding with their vote. Before they vote, bills go through a judiciary committee (precisely to check for constitutionality) and many other committees and staff members check for constitutionality as well.

    When a bill gets to the president's desk, it is also examined by presidential staff, for constitutionality. The president also gets to use his judgment in deciding whether or not a veto is necessary.

    Again, there may be disagreements over whether or not something is constitutional, but the first two checks are Congress and the president.

    The third check is the judiciary.

    We have constitutional government. We may have differences of opinion with our critters or with a president, but laws passed and signed are constitutional until a court rules otherwise.

    It is very easy to get worked up on one issue or another, to feel really strongly about one's own position, but that is the way things work.

    You can't disobey a law because you as an individual think it is unconstitutional. That is breaking the law. It is very very rare indeed that anyone can go to court and use as a defense their own opinion that the law is unconstitutional. That one works about as well as the insanity defense.

    You can if you are someone with what the courts call standing, challenge the law, ask for an injunction against its implementation or against implementation of some of its provisions.

    No one should delude themselves into thinking that we don't have constitutional governance and that this is so grave a threat that the formation of private militias (terrorists usually) is appropriate.

  14. #29
    VIP Member
    Array Hopyard's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Disappeared
    Posts
    12,126

    Re: inspector gadget

    Quote Originally Posted by InspectorGadget View Post
    Judicial Review does not happen until after the fact,
    Of course it happens after the fact. The primary responsibility for determining if a bill is constitutional lies with the appropriate committees in Congress and with the critters.

    Next, the president and his staff get to look at the bill and if there is a constitutionality question, veto it.

    Those are the first and second lines of defense against unconstitutional laws.

    The last line of defense is the courts.

    Laws passed by a legislative body, whether Congress or a State legislature, and signed into law by the executive, whether a president or a governor, are presumed to be constitutional until there is a successful challenge.

    There are few successful challenges.

    During the last legislative session one particular Republican Senator through quite a fit (and with justification) when someone suggested that the courts would overturn a particular piece of legislation he favored. He responded in righteous indignity that they (the courts) weren't the only people who could read the constitution and that congress had the power to determine if a law was constitutional as part of the process of passing the law.

  15. #30
    Restricted Member Array SelfDefense's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Tucson
    Posts
    2,736
    Quote Originally Posted by Tombstone55 View Post
    No rights are given to the federal government unless they are stated in the Constitution.
    The government has no rights. They were given powers. There is a significant difference.

Page 2 of 6 FirstFirst 123456 LastLast

Sponsored Links

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Similar Threads

  1. Lets talk Militia (The US Code Militia)
    By paramedic70002 in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: July 9th, 2010, 02:12 AM
  2. Militia movement's heroes will be packing heat at rally on the Potomac
    By WhoWeBePart1 in forum In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: April 21st, 2010, 09:00 PM
  3. 'What is the Militia?'
    By Janq in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: February 14th, 2008, 10:53 AM
  4. Second Militia Act of 1792
    By raevan in forum The Second Amendment & Gun Legislation Discussion
    Replies: 34
    Last Post: March 17th, 2007, 04:23 PM
  5. Movement
    By Glockman21 in forum Concealed Carry Issues & Discussions
    Replies: 44
    Last Post: August 4th, 2006, 06:07 PM

Search tags for this page

arizona certified militias groups
,
malisha groups good or bad
,

militia movement

,
militia movement in dayton ohio
,
san angelo militia
,
san angelo tx militia
,
the militia movement
,
u.s militia movement
,

us militia

,
us militia movement
,
whenshtfmalita
,
why would someone think the militia movement was justified?
Click on a term to search for related topics.