US Militia Movement

This is a discussion on US Militia Movement within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Technically, all able bodied men 16 to 65 are members of the militia. Like it or not you ARE militiamen....

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    Technically, all able bodied men 16 to 65 are members of the militia. Like it or not you ARE militiamen.
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    The FLORIDA Constitution has provisions for TWO militias: Organized (National Guard) and UNORGANIZED which is everybody else with a gun. That's how and why folks were able to patrol their neighborhoods after Hurricane Andrew toting AK47s or AR15s and were never harassed by the police. I personally saw a cop stop to chat casually with a member of the Cutler Ridge (heart of the disaster zone for Andrew) neighborhood watch who had an AK47 slung muzzle down. This little casual and inconsequential exchange on the weather happened in front of me as I was finalizing the width of my final battalion LZ for our air assets since I'd volunteered as and been accepted as a non paid Captain in the 1/124th INF Battalion in the position of S3 Air. THAT was a great job for 14 days. My own bird & pilot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    The FLORIDA Constitution has provisions for TWO militias: Organized (National Guard) and UNORGANIZED which is everybody else with a gun. That's how and why folks were able to patrol their neighborhoods after Hurricane Andrew toting AK47s or AR15s and were never harassed by the police. I personally saw a cop stop to chat casually with a member of the Cutler Ridge (heart of the disaster zone for Andrew) neighborhood watch who had an AK47 slung muzzle down. This little casual and inconsequential exchange on the weather happened in front of me as I was finalizing the width of my final battalion LZ for our air assets since I'd volunteered as and been accepted as a non paid Captain in the 1/124th INF Battalion in the position of S3 Air. THAT was a great job for 14 days. My own bird & pilot.
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    250.02 Militia.--

    (1) The militia consists of all able-bodied citizens of this state and all other able-bodied persons who have declared their intention to become citizens.

    (2) The organized militia is composed of the National Guard and any other organized military forces that are authorized by law.

    (3) The unorganized militia is composed of all persons who are subject to military duty but who are not members of units of the organized militia.

    (4) Only persons exempt from military duty by the terms of federal law are exempt from military duty in this state.

    History.--s. 4, ch. 8502, 1921; CGL 2015; s. 1, ch. 25112, 1949; s. 1, ch. 73-93; s. 2, ch. 2003-68.

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    We can debate the constitution and the intent of the authors all day long.

    The root of the problem is that the people who are running our government have an agenda to socialize our country. A take-over of our auto industry, our banking industry, and now our healthcare industry.

    The people don't like it. They have woke up the sleeping giant.

    They write ridiculous 1200 page bills, don't give anyone a chance to read it or debate it, block all input from the conservative party, and push a vote because they have declared a "crisis".

    People's eyes are wide open and the president's poll numbers are dropping every day.

    If we speak up at a town hall or a tea party, we are labeled racists or nazis.

    What happened to free speech? We had to put up with move on dot org bashing President Bush for the last 8 years, we had to put up with protesters throwing fake blood at Condi Rice, throwing pies at conservative politicians, and now that the silent majority has the audacity to speak up, we are labeled domestic terrorists.

    How ironic.
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    The real problem that I see here, as in 1995 when Clinton passed AWB 1 was not the perceived "rise" of the militia movement, but that his actions gave extremists like McVeigh a voice to others seeking to do the same. Now we have Obama, who is undoubtedly more radical and left-of-center than Clinton ever dreamed of being, and now I see the same thing happening.

    I am just hoping and praying voter anger and disgust turn out in the 2010 midterms and we erase the super-majority the Democrats have in our government; if we don't, we are in trouble, fellas.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    They write ridiculous 1200 page bills, don't give anyone a chance to read it or debate it, block all input from the conservative party, and push a vote because they have declared a "crisis".
    Actually, NONE of the congressmen wrote the bill. I did like the guy at the townhall meeting (I think Specter's) that said all bills should be written so a junior high school student could read and understand it.

    I could write a one line bill for health care:

    The Congress will stay the hell out of the private insurance business.

    And an amendment:

    Congress will divest itself from the Medicare program over the next ten years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Is it just me or does it seem that they are assuming every militia group that forms is "anti government"? Is it not possible that some people might want to form militias along the same lines as our Community Emergency Response Teams? Couldn't a militia be formed simply with the intent of being able to secure your own neighborhood (like a neighborhood watch) when SHTF? Would that not be a militia in support of the government?
    This is kind of how I think of a modern militia in this country, not necessarily anti-government.


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    Couldn't agree more its classic diversionary tactics. If you are trying to discredit an idea rather than use facts and logic just search for a tie to race no matter how tenuous and spend time pushing that point.
    +1 Was thinking the same thing.

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    Wink Back in the day....

    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    This is kind of how I think of a modern militia in this country, not necessarily anti-government.
    Back in the 80s and 90s the BATF was out filming some of the "militias" in central FL and gave up because not only were there no firearms present, but the only things being practiced or "drilled" were CPR and hurricane recovery/rescue operations. How to search for victims in rubble, etc. Not very "threatening," IOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ExSoldier View Post
    Back in the 80s and 90s the BATF was out filming some of the "militias" in central FL and gave up because not only were there no firearms present, but the only things being practiced or "drilled" were CPR and hurricane recovery/rescue operations. How to search for victims in rubble, etc. Not very "threatening," IOW.
    It's a shame that the term militia has come to have such a negative connotation to some, I personally view it as one of the most American of activities, not in the anti-government sense, but in the helping your community/country sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    It's a shame that the term militia has come to have such a negative connotation to some, I personally view it as one of the most American of activities, not in the anti-government sense, but in the helping your community/country sense.
    One of the reasons it has a bad connotation is the fact that a well regulated militia is no longer necessary nor sufficient for the security of our nation. At the outset, many of the Founders did not want a standing army. The most prescient Founder, Alexander Hamilton, understood the necessity.

    People use the militia excuse to justify their God given right to defend themselves and people know that is inconsistent with our national defense structure.

    It also has a bad connotation because sometimes kooks gather together to play army.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SelfDefense View Post
    One of the reasons it has a bad connotation is the fact that a well regulated militia is no longer necessary nor sufficient for the security of our nation. At the outset, many of the Founders did not want a standing army. The most prescient Founder, Alexander Hamilton, understood the necessity.

    People use the militia excuse to justify their God given right to defend themselves and people know that is inconsistent with our national defense structure.

    It also has a bad connotation because sometimes kooks gather together to play army.
    Exactly, because we will never need to defend ourselves from our own government.

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    Hamilton was also very borderline tyrannical in his philosophy. He wished to use the army to police the populace and establish the federal governments power over the states. His ardent support for a central bank illustrates the amount of power he wished the federal government to exert over the country.

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    One of the reasons it has a bad connotation is the fact that a well regulated militia is no longer necessary nor sufficient for the security of our nation
    I agree that a militia is no longer necessary nor compatible with our standing army. But I don't think that the concept is outdated, there may be other very useful applications on a local level.
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    Gee, I don't recall anything in the Second Amendment about the security of the country, I only remember "a free state".
    And that is one of the things I love about Texas, not all state military forces are subject to being called up by the federal government. We have forces that are deployed strictly at the discretion of the Governor. Heck, he can even arm us with requesitioned surplus federal weapons!
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    Quote Originally Posted by natticarry View Post
    Hamilton was also very borderline tyrannical in his philosophy.


    I'm sure you consider him 'borderline tyrannical' if you consider the fringe anti-Constitutionalists Jefferson and Henry to be moderates.

    Hamilton, the primary author of the Federalist Papers, was instrumental in enabling the Constitution to be ratified. He is considered to be the greatest of the Founders.

    [QUOTE]He wished to use the army to police the populace and establish the federal governments power over the states.[QUOTE]

    This is wrong. The Federal government derives its power from the Constitution.

    It is ironic that the liberals/libertarians that complain most about Federal power are the first ones to whine to the robed oligarchs when the states offend their delicate beliefs.

    His ardent support for a central bank illustrates the amount of power he wished the federal government to exert over the country.
    Central banking is the best methodology for dealing with the complex financial issues the nation faces. He was correct about central banking, he was correct about the standing army and he was correct about the Constitution.

    If he would not have been killed by the sitting Vice President he assuredly would have been elected President of the United States.

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