Harlem Store Owner Shoots 4 Robbers, Killing 2

Harlem Store Owner Shoots 4 Robbers, Killing 2

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    Harlem Store Owner Shoots 4 Robbers, Killing 2

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/14/ny...t.html?_r=1&hp

    Harlem Store Owner Shoots 4 Robbers, Killing 2
    Jennifer S. Altman for The New York Times

    By ROBERT D. McFADDEN
    Published: August 13, 2009

    They strode into the restaurant supply store in Harlem shortly after 3 p.m. on Thursday, four young men intent on robbery, one with a Glock 9-millimeter pistol, the police said. The place may have looked like an easy mark, a high-cash business with an owner in his 70s, known as a gentle, soft-spoken man.

    But Charles Augusto Jr., the 72-year-old proprietor of the Kaplan Brothers Blue Flame Corporation, at 523 West 125th Street, near Amsterdam Avenue, had been robbed several times before, despite the fact that his shop is around the corner from the 26th Precinct station house on West 126th Street.

    There were no customers in the store, only Mr. Augusto and two employees, a man and a woman. The police said the invaders announced a holdup, approached the two employees and tried to place plastic handcuffs on them. The male employee, a 35-year-old known in the community as J. B., struggled with the gunman, who then hit him on the head with the pistol.

    Watching it happen, Mr. Augusto, whom neighborhood friends call Gus, rose from a chair 20 to 30 feet away and took out a loaded Winchester 12-gauge pump-action shotgun with a pistol-grip. The police said he bought it after a robbery 30 years ago.

    Mr. Augusto, who has never been in trouble with the law, fired three blasts in rapid succession, the police said, although Vernon McKenzie, working at an Internet company next door, heard only two booms, loud enough to send him rushing to a window, where he heard someone shout: “You’re dead! You’re dead!”

    The first shot took down the gunman at the front. He died almost immediately, according to the police, who said he was 29 and had been arrested for gun possession in Queens last year and was the nephew of a police officer.

    Mr. Augusto’s other two blasts hit all three accomplices, who stumbled out the door, bleeding.

    One of them, a 21-year-old, staggered across 125th Street and collapsed in front of the General Grant Houses, a nine-building complex with 4,500 residents, one of the city’s biggest housing projects. Someone called 911, and an ambulance rushed him to St. Luke’s-Roosevelt Hospital Center, where he was dead on arrival. The police said he had a record of arrests for weapons possession and robbery.

    Another wounded man left a blood trail that the police followed to 125th Street and Amsterdam Avenue. The fourth wounded man was picked up, on the basis of witness descriptions, at 128th Street and St. Nicholas Terrace. Both were taken to St. Luke’s.

    The names of the men who were shot — two dead and two wounded — were not immediately released by the authorities. The two at the hospital, both 21 years old, were in stable condition late last night, the police said.

    Outside the emergency room entrance, relatives and friends of the dead and wounded men screamed and wailed in anguish as word of what had happened spread.

    “No! No!” a woman cried. “They said he just died!”

    Another crying woman, surrounded by family members, heard one of her relatives had been shot trying to rob a store.

    “Oh my God!” she wailed. “Why would they want to rob a store?” She started to scream: “Damn! Why? Why would he go to a family store? He got money!” She slumped against the wall and began to pray.

    Later, a man ran into the emergency room and came out screaming, “Oh, God!” He held his head in his hands and sat at the curb.

    A youth about 16, crying and pacing, slammed his fist into a yellow pole.

    The scene back at Blue Flame was also grim. Ordinarily, 125th Street between Amsterdam and Broadway is a placid setting: a couple of storefront businesses, an after-school program, two churches, the facades of the housing project looming up, a lot of passing and parked cars.

    Two hours after the shootings, the body of a man lay on the sidewalk, its upper half covered in white plastic. Gray pants and white sneakers, with the toes pointed up, were visible. And there was the inevitable crowd of bystanders.

    “How the hell are you going to rob someone in broad daylight?” said Sarah Martin. Looking around, she added, “They’re very upset, the people who live in this area.”

    Gene Hernandez, 47, sympathized with Mr. Augusto, but not with the would-be robbers. “If I were him, I would kill a dozen of them,” he said. “You have to protect your workers and your family. Case closed.”

    Stefany Blyn, who leases a commercial building from Mr. Augusto, described him as a “laid-back, unexcitable guy.”

    She said she was “not totally amazed” at the robbery, because he had told her that he had been robbed several times before and that he dealt in a lot of cash in his business, which was the sale and service of stoves and other kitchen equipment. The shop opened in 1929, according to news articles about it.

    “He was trying to make a living in his business,” said John E. Walker, who works at Drum Television Network, next door.

    Venus Singleton, 51, said she hoped that Mr. Augusto would not get into trouble. “I hope that the gun was licensed and that he was in his rights,” she said.

    Paul J. Browne, chief spokesman for the Police Department, said that Mr. Augusto had not been arrested or charged. He was being treated like a witness and was being questioned Thursday night at the station house. It was unclear if the shotgun was registered, but Mr. Browne said, “There is a lower threshold for owning a shotgun in the city, a permit as opposed to a license.”

    A law enforcement official said that the district attorney was considering a possible misdemeanor weapons charge against Mr. Augusto, indicating that he did not have a permit for the shotgun.

    Under long-established New York law, a person is allowed to use deadly physical force when he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to meet the imminent use of deadly physical force and there is no reasonable chance of retreating from the danger.

    A woman who answered the telephone at Mr. Augusto’s home in Irvington, N.Y., said the family would have no comment.

    Reporting was contributed by Bobby Allyn, Sewell Chan, Jason Grant, Christine Hauser, Javier C. Hernandez, Anahad O’Connor, William K. Rashbaum, A. G. Sulzberger and Mathew R. Warren.

    A law enforcement official said that the district attorney was considering a possible misdemeanor weapons charge against Mr. Augusto, indicating that he did not have a permit for the shotgun.


    Reminds me that I need to go look at HD shotguns.


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    “How the hell are you going to rob someone in broad daylight?” said Sarah Martin. Looking around, she added, “They’re very upset, the people who live in this area.”
    So unless you commit a robbery at night it's a problem?I think this guy needs a medal,he did what the criminal justice system failed to do but now they want to charge him with a crime.
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    Congrats to this 70 year old who got all four of them, two permanently...

    He was 'taking care of business' and the neighbors agreed... “If I were him, I would kill a dozen of them,” he said. “You have to protect your workers and your family. Case closed.”

    That pretty much sums it up nicely.
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    Gus did what he had to do, can anyone blame him?

    its unreal that they want to charge him with anything. He is a hero in my book

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    I say we pitch in to buy him a new shotgun.
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    What I can't believe is he shot probably three of them in the back and there's no charges being considered (or minor ones). This IS NYC remember! Good for him if he gets no-billed though!

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    The absurdity.

    While I can appreciate the district attny. doing his job.

    I cannot help but wonder how many of these criminals have got plea deals or released in exchange for "cooperation" on some other matter while they were in posession of an un registered firearm during the commission of an aggravated robbery or, assault.

    Should the DA not want to further traumatize the victim of this robbery perhaps Victims Assistance should offer him and his employees some support and treatment.
    The DA could send him to what ever they have for a gun license course and the NYPD armorer could clean, tune the 870 and give him a fresh box of 00 buck.
    Condolences to the families of the perpetrators. They too are damaged by the actions of their kin.

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    What goes around, comes back around. The GG wins, BG loses. The way it should always be.

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    As stated here don't mess with old people. count me in for $ for new shotty.

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    Provocative story so thanks for the post and welcome aboard.
    As for the incident, I wasn’t able to determine who yelled out “You’re dead”. Based on the story line I guess it was Gus. If so, this could be a problem for him once the matter invariably goes civil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by compact View Post
    Gus did what he had to do, can anyone blame him?
    Bet Bloomburg (sp?) can!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    I say we pitch in to buy him a new shotgun.
    Like a semi-auto.........
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    Maybe he knocked some sense into the two survivors!
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    Excellent hit probability under stress - 4 BGs with 3 rounds!

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    I live in St. Louis, and that's why I have a 12ga where I can get to it. That just goes to show that a 70 year old with a 12 ga and a defense attitute can rout 4 armed aggressors nearly a quarter of his age. Sounds like he does just fine with a pump action!
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