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    He could have simply driven away.

    Idaho Statesman, Thursday 20 August 2009

    BOISE, Idaho — An Idaho Republican Party leader who helped oust the state GOP chairman in 2008 faces charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon after an altercation escalated while he photographed a home with a delinquent mortgage.

    Challis McAffee, 33, the GOP chairman from the Boise suburb of Garden City and one of 231 voting members of the Idaho Republican Central Committee, was in Ada County jail after being accused of pointing a gun at the homeowner.

    McAffee works for a contractor hired by Wells Fargo & Co. to document the condition of homes where mortgages are past due or in foreclosure.

    McAffee, a backer of libertarian-leaning former GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul and an activist in this year's anti-big-government "Tea Party" protests, helped organize Paul backers who aligned at last June's Idaho State Republican Convention in Sandpoint with other foes of then-state GOP Chairman Kirk Sullivan. Sullivan was voted from office in favor of Norm Semanko.

    According to police in the Boise suburb of Meridian, resident Robert Lutes called officers just before 5:30 p.m. Tuesday to report McAffee had pointed a .357 Magnum handgun at him during a verbal confrontation. McAffee acknowledged he pointed the gun at Lutes, according to the police account.

    "I'm unarmed, I'm an old man," Lutes, 51, told The Associated Press on Thursday. "I'm trying to find out why he's taking pictures of my house. I said, 'Knock on my door, let me know what you want.' Then, I think he's reaching for his business card and he pulls out a concealed weapon and I think he's going to blow my head off."

    Lutes said the gun was beneath a cloth on the floor of the passenger side of McAffee's vehicle.

    The Idaho Republican Party said the arrest of one of its southwestern Idaho leaders was a "personal matter."

    "It's not a party matter," said Jonathan Parker, state GOP director in Boise.

    McAffee couldn't immediately be reached in jail.

    Ryan Davidson, another Paul supporter who has gained attention by pushing pro-marijuana voter initiatives in the central Idaho town of Hailey, said McAffee told him a different version of the altercation in a phone call from jail:

    Lutes confronted McAffee, becoming increasingly hostile, Davidson said. When Lutes struck McAffee's Ford Escort with his hand, McAffee brandished the weapon to de-escalate the conflict, Davidson said.

    "Challis is one of the most mild-mannered, good-natured guys," Davidson said. "The conversation wasn't going anywhere, the guy smacked the car window. At that point, he (McAffee) felt threatened enough, he picked up the firearm in front of the seat that he carries for protection. The nature of the job is, you're going to run into some unhappy people."

    Davidson has sent messages via Ron Paul e-mail lists in hopes of collecting the $50,000 needed to post bail for McAffee, whose arrest was originally reported in the Idaho Statesman.

    "There will certainly be a lot of work to do on this case in order to help clear Challis' good name, but right now, the most pressing concern is to get Challis out of jail," Davidson wrote.

    Tony Schewmaker, the Wells Fargo contractor who hired McAffee, knew him through libertarian-leaning groups such as We The People Foundation for Constitutional Education.

    Schewmaker objected to the $50,000 bond, saying the steep figure resulted from 4th District Magistrate Judge Kevin Swain's objections to the weapon. Schewmaker also keeps a handgun in his vehicle, in particular for business in isolated, rural areas.

    "Apparently, we can't use a gun in our own protection," Schewmaker told the AP. "You can have it to look pretty. But if somebody is attempting to attack you, you can't pull it out of the holster. That's what I'm gathering from this."

    After a call from the AP, Wells Fargo spokeswoman Julia Tunis Bernard in San Francisco said the company would look into the incident.

    Meanwhile, Lutes, who concedes he's fallen behind on mortgage payments, said he may hire a lawyer to pursue a civil complaint against the bank, McAffee, and Schewmaker's company.

    "The contractor is liable, he (McAffee) is liable and Wells Fargo is liable," Lutes said. "He wouldn't have been there if it wouldn't have been for Wells Fargo strong-arming people."
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    "The contractor is liable, he (McAffee) is liable and Wells Fargo is liable," Lutes said. "He wouldn't have been there if it wouldn't have been for Wells Fargo strong-arming people."
    Sounds to me it's more like your trying to blame them for falling behind on your mortgage,also if you got a problem with somebody videotaping call 911,It sounds like the guy was angry they were looking to foreclose and was gonna take his anger out on anybody associated with it
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    51 and an old man..............

    give me a break........ then i am really old.
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    I didn't write the article, just reporting it. I am blaming no one, but I am questioning pulling a firearm under the reported situation.

    I agree that the home resident was hostile and that he is trying to lay blame. You don't pay your bills and use your home as collateral, some one is going to come to collect. But the fact remains, the picture taker could have simply driven away, not pulled his firearm as he wasn't in imminent danger and come back another time after notifying LE what he was going to do from a public road.

    And I guess at 53, I am really an old man. Playing to the media.
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    since when is 51 old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    since when is 51 old?
    When you are playing to the media and a possible lawsuit!
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    I don't remember 51

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    If true, then this is one of those cases where if a gun is carried--so is a cell phone. McAfee should have called the police to inform them he was being threatened by the resident and that he drew his weapon in self-defense.

    However, if he drew his weapon to bully the resident, that's totally different.

    Somewhere in between is the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shooterX View Post
    since when is 51 old?
    It wasn't back when I was 51.

    To the OP...pretty stupid thing to do!
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    Lutes may be a goof-ball, but Challis is in trouble.He could have easily driven off. Gun owners like this give the rest of us a bad name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr.stuart View Post
    Lutes may be a goof-ball, but Challis is in trouble.He could have easily driven off. Gun owners like this give the rest of us a bad name.
    Agreed.
    Quite simply, depart.

    There was no imminent threat.
    Further if this cat had had a can of OC on him in lieu of or better yet in addition to a handgun then he'd have had something better (!) to reach toward...and be in far less hot water.

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    There is a reason why the bond is 50K and it likely hasn't much to do with the judge' attitude as suggested in the article.

    I have a hunch there is more to the story that justified the high bond on someone who otherwise seems to be a bit of a public figure and certainly he doesn't seem the sort who would run, so there has to be more to the story.

    Why is it my gut is telling me they were trying to intimidate the guy who was behind on his mortgage?

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    if he knew where the gun was in the car, he was at the window. The homeowner could have been threatening the driver.

    i take this story with a grain of salt because i have experience with real estate appraisal and have seen how people react when you legally take picture of the house. and the source of this story is questionable (ap). i will say the story sounds fishy... while the arrested may be found guilty, i doubt the homeowner is a "victim"

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    He's an idiot and he's endangering our gun rights by his behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    There is a reason why the bond is 50K and it likely hasn't much to do with the judge' attitude as suggested in the article.

    I have a hunch there is more to the story that justified the high bond on someone who otherwise seems to be a bit of a public figure and certainly he doesn't seem the sort who would run, so there has to be more to the story.

    Why is it my gut is telling me they were trying to intimidate the guy who was behind on his mortgage?
    I did not think about that. Maybe they were trying to push the guy.

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