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    Quote Originally Posted by M203Sniper View Post
    and then charge you $15 a month to keep you up to date

    That Kool Aid isn't drinking itself you know.
    Personal attacks, appeals to ridicule, obfuscation etc., are all you have.

    It was a third party website wanting to charge a fee for their services, not the AAP.

    You can read the report online for FREE at the American Academy of Pediatrics website, who will charge you NOTHING:

    Media Violence -- Committee on Public Education 108 (5): 1222 -- AAP Policy
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    Social decay is caused by many factors, and I have always believed that our permissive society is fundamentally responsible. The reference to video games is a valid one, and so is the proliferation of porn sites. We are products of our culture and the habits and values we foster.
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    nicely said Saber

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Bowen View Post
    nicely said Saber
    Yep!
    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

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    The number of adults and kids who play video games vastly outnumbers the number incidences of public violence. Its not the games making them do something, however, those inclined to do anything are also likely to be inclined to also enjoy such games. Its a chicken vs egg problem, and to blame it on video games/TV/music makes as much sense as blaming crime on gun access.

    I've been playing games since I was an early teenager. So have my brothers. So have my friends. So have my neighbors. As yet, none of us have gone crazy and killed anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KralBlbec View Post
    The number of adults and kids who play video games vastly outnumbers the number incidences of public violence. Its not the games making them do something, however, those inclined to do anything are also likely to be inclined to also enjoy such games. Its a chicken vs egg problem, and to blame it on video games/TV/music makes as much sense as blaming crime on gun access.

    I've been playing games since I was an early teenager. So have my brothers. So have my friends. So have my neighbors. As yet, none of us have gone crazy and killed anyone.
    Let me say it for at LEAST the fourth or fifth time in this thread---NOBODY here is trying to blame the problem ENTIRELY on video games.

    Are we clear on that point now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saber View Post
    Social decay is caused by many factors, and I have always believed that our permissive society is fundamentally responsible. The reference to video games is a valid one, and so is the proliferation of porn sites. We are products of our culture and the habits and values we foster.
    Regards,
    Exactly. We are absolutely a product of the "village" that raises the child.

    Which is why the reference to video games is NOT valid. Neither is the Porn although I would have a harder time defending it. Simply put our forms of entertainment are outputs & not inputs. They may show the rest of the world who we are as a culture but they did not create that culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    Let me say it for at LEAST the fourth or fifth time in this thread---NOBODY here is trying to blame the problem ENTIRELY on video games.

    Are we clear on that point now?
    Good, because even eluding to gaming or rap music as a cause or excuse for violence is ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M203Sniper View Post
    Good, because even eluding to gaming or rap music as a cause or excuse for violence is ridiculous.
    The only things ridiculous are your personal attacks, appeals to ridicule and proclamations of opinion masquerading as "fact".

    Who should we believe, an internet "expert" making personal attacks, or the American Psychiatric Association?:

    VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES CAN INCREASE AGGRESSION

    May Be More Harmful Than Violent Television and Movies Because of the Interactive Nature of the Games

    WASHINGTON - Playing violent video games like Doom, Wolfenstein 3D or Mortal Kombat can increase a person's aggressive thoughts, feelings and behavior both in laboratory settings and in actual life, according to two studies appearing in the April issue of the American Psychological Association's (APA) Journal of Personality and Social Psychology.

    Furthermore, violent video games may be more harmful than violent television and movies because they are interactive, very engrossing and require the player to identify with the aggressor, say the researchers.

    "One study reveals that young men who are habitually aggressive may be especially vulnerable to the aggression-enhancing effects of repeated exposure to violent games," said psychologists Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D., and Karen E. Dill, Ph.D. "The other study reveals that even a brief exposure to violent video games can temporarily increase aggressive behavior in all types of participants."

    The first study involved 227 college students who completed a measure of trait aggressiveness and reported their actual aggressive behaviors (delinquency) in the recent past. They also reported their video game playing habits.

    "We found that students who reported playing more violent video games in junior and high school engaged in more aggressive behavior," said lead author Anderson, of Iowa State University. "We also found that amount of time spent playing video games in the past was associated with lower academic grades in college."

    In the second study, 210 college students played either a violent (Wolfenstein 3D) or nonviolent video game (Myst). A short time later, the students who played the violent video game punished an opponent (received a noise blast with varying intensity) for a longer period of time than did students who had played the nonviolent video game.

    "Violent video games provide a forum for learning and practicing aggressive solutions to conflict situations," said Dr. Anderson. "In the short run, playing a violent video game appears to affect aggression by priming aggressive thoughts.

    Longer-term effects are likely to be longer lasting as well, as the player learns and practices new aggression-related scripts that can become more and more accessible for use when real-life conflict situations arise."

    "One major concern is the active nature of the learning environment of the video game," say the authors. "This medium is potentially more dangerous than exposure to violent television and movies, which are known to have substantial effects on aggression and violence."

    Article: "Video Games and Aggressive Thoughts, Feelings, and Behavior in the Laboratory and in Life," Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D., Iowa State University of Science and Technology and Karen E. Dill, Ph.D., Lenoir-Rhyne College, Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol. 78, No. 4.

    Violent Video Games Can Increase Aggression
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    You can believe whomever you want. However, if you blame an inanimate object for the actions of a sentient being you are in serious need of help, I suggest you seek out one of the 38,000 members of the American Psychiatric Association.

    I however wouldn't deal with a group that compromised a proffesional ethical position for a political favor by calling homosexuality a mental illness, taking kickbacks for suggesting certain medications be prescribed by its members....& of course

    In 2008 APA became a focus of congressional investigations regarding the way that money from the pharmaceutical industry can shape the practices of nonprofit organizations that purport to be independent in their viewpoints and actions. The drug industry accounted...for about 30 percent of the association’s $62.5 million in financing, ...

    The current APA president elect, Alan Schatzberg, has also come under fire after it came to light that he was principal investigator on a federal study into a drug being developed by Corcept Therapeutics, a company Schatzberg had himself set up and in which he had several millions of dollars’ worth of stock.
    and of course I am glad that they had headshrinkers at Gitmo even if the APA said they should only be in a spectator role and "not take part in the interrogation bla bla bla.

    but if you want to listen to the APA;

    PLAYING VIDEO GAMES OFFERS LEARNING ACROSS LIFE SPAN, SAY STUDIES

    Skills Transfer to Classroom, Surgical Procedures, Scientific Thinking

    BOSTON—Certain types of video games can have beneficial effects, improving gamers' dexterity as well as their ability to problem-solve – attributes that have proven useful not only to students but to surgeons, according to research discussed Sunday at the Annual Convention of the American Psychological Association.
    http://www.apa.org/releases/videogamesC08.html

    CHILDREN'S PERSONALITY FEATURES UNCHANGED BY SHORT-TERM VIDEO PLAY; LONG-TERM PLAY LIKELY TO BE GOVERNED BY COMBINED INFLUENCES

    Preexisting Traits May Have Greater Effect On Behavior Than Short Term Video Play

    WASHINGTON -- Children who are either aggressive or empathic seem not to have those traits changed by short-term exposure to violent video games, according to new research being presented today at the 108th Annual Convention of the American Psychological Association (APA).
    http://www.apa.org/releases/videoplay.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by M203Sniper View Post
    You can believe whomever you want. However, if you blame an inanimate object for the actions of a sentient being you are in serious need of help, I suggest you seek out one of the 38,000 members of the American Psychiatric Association.

    I however wouldn't deal with a group that compromised a proffesional ethical position for a political favor by calling homosexuality a mental illness, taking kickbacks for suggesting certain medications be prescribed by its members....& of course



    and of course I am glad that they had headshrinkers at Gitmo even if the APA said they should only be in a spectator role and "not take part in the interrogation bla bla bla.

    but if you want to listen to the APA;


    APA Press Release: Playing Video Games Offers Learning Across Life Span, Say Studies


    Childrens Personality FEatures Unchanged By Short-Term Video Play
    If M203Sniper had even bothered to read his own links, he would've found that they actually support MY position:

    The authors caution that the present finding should not be interpreted as indicating that there is no relationship between a child's choice of video games and aggression and empathy. They do suggest, however, that preexisting tendencies may have a stronger influence on behavior than short-term playing of violent video games.
    So the authors reject M203Sniper's foolish notion that there is no relationship between video games and aggression.

    Please also note that what the authors of the study were ACTUALLY saying was that SHORT-TERM PLAYING didn't have as strong an adverse influence on players as LONG-TERM PLAYING.

    But the authors NEVER claimed that LONG-TERM PLAYING didn't have significant adverse effects.

    Harris and Klebold of Columbine massacre infamy, were both fanatical LONG-TERM PLAYERS, with Harris even creating entire new levels for the shooting video games he was obsessed with.
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    Another dose of hard truth from M203Sniper's own link, which further proves my case:

    Findings from the student studies confirmed previous research on effects of playing violent games: Those playing violent games were more hostile, less forgiving and believed violence to be normal compared to those who played nonviolent games.

    Players of "prosocial" games got into fewer fights in school and were more helpful to other students.

    Other studies involving students showed that those who played more entertainment games did poorer in school and were at greater risk for obesity.
    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defensive Arms View Post
    Another dose of hard truth from M203Sniper's own link, which further proves my case:
    Which proves you haven't been paying attention.

    Kids who are already "bad" kids are going to be bad kids. Video games have nothing to do with it.

    If you smack a mean hungry dog on the nose, you're gonna get bit.

    If you smack a cat on the nose it's gonna run away.

    You can continue to look for excuses and blame inanimate objects. The fact remains, people are responsible for their actions, actions are a result of choice.
    "Good kids" can play Doom and Grand Theft Auto3 all day and not ever harm anyone.
    "Bad kids" can never be exposed to video games and want to kill everyone.

    Try and apply some critical thinking. I can see it's hard for you.
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    ScienceDaily (Apr. 5, 2007) — New research by Iowa State University psychologists provides more concrete evidence of the adverse effects of violent video game exposure on the behavior of children and adolescents....

    ...The book's first study found that even exposure to cartoonish children's violent video games had the same short-term effects on increasing aggressive behavior as the more graphic teen (T-rated) violent games....

    ...They also found that habitual exposure to violent media was associated with higher levels of recent violent behavior -- with the newer interactive form of media violence found in video games more strongly related to violent behavior than exposure to non-interactive media violence found in television and movies.

    Violent Video Games And Hostile Personalities Go Together
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    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

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    The authors found that respondents who had more exposure to violent video games held more pro-violent attitudes, had more hostile personalities, were less forgiving, believed violence to be more typical, and behaved more aggressively in their everyday lives.

    The survey measured students' violent TV, movie and video game exposure; attitudes toward violence; personality trait hostility; personality trait forgiveness; beliefs about the normality of violence; and the frequency of various verbally and physically aggressive behaviors.

    The researchers were surprised that the relation to violent video games was so strong.

    "We were surprised to find that exposure to violent video games was a better predictor of the students' own violent behavior than their gender or their beliefs about violence," said Anderson.

    "Although gender aggressive personality and beliefs about violence all predict aggressive and violent behavior, violent video game play still made an additional difference.

    "We were also somewhat surprised that there was no apparent difference in the video game violence effect between boys and girls or adolescents with already aggressive attitudes," he said.

    Violent Video Games And Hostile Personalities Go Together
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    "I've run across shooting after shooting where the defender shot a violent aggressor with a .380 and did little to immediately stop his depredations. A good hollow point load in 9mm or .38 Special will, historically, end lethal assaults more quickly."

    ~ Massad Ayoob

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