Lock him in a van til he convulses

This is a discussion on Lock him in a van til he convulses within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by ccw9mm ^ But the situation wasn't any of that, having to choose between a dog and a human. Rather, it was a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    ^ But the situation wasn't any of that, having to choose between a dog and a human. Rather, it was a person taking no care for his own dog's health, killing it via his own actions. He gets a bye?
    Which brings us back to my first paragraph and the comment about a hunter who makes a bad shot. Neither case is necessarily malicious.

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    Dogs kill too

    Quote Originally Posted by tougeep3 View Post
    I like alot more dogs than I do people. There are other members of humanity that will kill you for your shoes or a nice watch...
    And dogs that will kill you for sport, when they get in a pack especially.

    It isn't a matter of comparing the bad that people and dogs are capable of, as both are capable of bad stuff.

    The issue is whether or not a person should be severely punished (as in a felony or high misdemeanor with jail time) for negligently killing a dog.

    Are we going to now start to compare dog road kill with a 'negligent homicide' when little 3 year old Jon runs into the road?

    People FIRST. It isn't even a close call.

    As for the Vick business, what he did was rather cold and calculating, clearly illegal in several regards, but not (except for the additional illegality not related to cruelty) worthy of destroying two years of a man's life and possibly his entire career (though that didn't happen in the end). The fate of humans is more important than the fate of a dog.

    All of that said, we do need to do our utmost to prevent these types of incidents. Advertising, warnings, fines, possibly even 48 hours in jail. That's as far as I can see the punishment going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    It sounds to me like you are saying that it is OK to not punish a parent because they have "suffered enough," but by G-d, that dog owner needs to be punished?

    What a clear example of someone emotionally putting an animal's welfare above that of a human being.

    An animal is not a human. Leaving a baby in the car till dead is negligent homicide. Sometimes it isn't prosecuted because indeed some prosecutors do have common sense and it prevails.

    The same should occur with death of a dang dog. Common sense says its life is beneath that of a human, and the prosecutor should exercise some common sense.
    As I said.....a lack of common sense.

    When is the last time you've seen a parent punished by a court for forgetting the baby in the backseat?

    Prosecutors usually don't prosecute the parents because the parents are punished enough and are stricken with grief and guilt.

    There is no punishment greater than the death of a child.

    Now....if you are referring to leaving a baby in a car in Las Vegas so the parents can gamble....that's a different story. That is a prosecutable offense.

    I don't know where you get off putting words in my mouth.

    Can you point out to me where I said a dog is worth more than a child?

    I never have been able to understand liberals. They tend to twist things to fit their agenda.

    This is a prime example.

    I think the best thing to do is just put you on my ignore list.

    Then I don't have to read your nonsensical posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    This guy needs to get the same treatment,I can't post what I really wanta say
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    Patti-- reread your original post

    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    I don't know where you get off putting words in my mouth.
    You put them their yourself.

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    My Mother was the best mother any child could wish for. I was never abused and really teetered on the spoiled side. But once...

    Once when I was about 10, she left me in a car at a shopping center for 'a few minutes' and told me to NOT get out of the car. Well, it got VERY HOT in that car, even with the windows down. I'm not sure how long I was in there, but it seemed like a very long time. I was soaked in sweat and felt like I was in an oven. Finally she returned, and was shocked to see how hot I was. She asked me why I didn't get out of the car. Duh, because she told me not to!

    Parents who cause the death of their children should be punished. Unfortunately, that's not the legal standard in this country. Heck, how many abortions do we have every year?

    People who abuse and cause to suffer non-game animals should also be punished. Call it a double standard if you want, that's how I see it.
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    I live in Arizona. It gets very hot here. People who leave any living animal in a closed car, whether that be a dog/cat/rat/bird or human, and expect it to be alive when they return - have a chip loose.

    We have animal cruelty laws on the books...that in some states carry fairly steep penalties. We also have human cruelty laws on the books - which come by definitions like murder/manslaughter/assault/etc.

    I believe in punishing people who disregard those laws and general rules of society...I could care less whether someone's life is ruined by making poor decisions that affect or destroy the life of a person/animal who's care and well being were their responsibility.

    In reference to the guy who left his dog in the car while he went to the waterpark. I'm sure his community is alot better off with him out of the picture (ie, In Jail) - as I'm sure he was a real "go getter".

    Let's face it...some people are true losers and beyond help.
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    When the welfare of children in this country are given similar priority, I'll be willing to discuss punishment for negligent or malicious pet owners. Until then, I say make the guy eat the dog while reminding him of all the starving children in Africa who would be delighted at such a feast.
    Heck, I'll eat the dog. Dog is a good meal.

    I place the value of human life far above that of any animal. I have three dogs. I am responsible for their care, and I meet that responsibility. Lots of people view animals as disposable, I don't. However, lots of people view children as disposable too.

    We have dominion over the animals. At least that is how I view it. With that comes responsibility too. Sadly, many people do not measure up to the responsibility they have been entrusted with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    I never have been able to understand liberals. They tend to twist things to fit their agenda.

    This is a prime example.
    A little off topic here, but how in the world is this issue related to a Liberal vs. Conservative debate? The above statement is such a blatant generalization...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keltyke View Post
    "He needed killing." is a viable defense here in the South. Animal cruelty just gets to me. These innocent pets depend on us for their very existence. Just a dog, huh? Maybe to you, but my three are a part of my family, and I'd draw down just as quickly on someone hurting them as on someone hurting a human family member. They can't defend themselves like a human can. "Hopyard", you sicken me.
    You are a perfect example of someone who should not own a gun.

    Just because you think of your dogs as humans, doesn't make them such.

    I don't know of many places where you would not be arrested for drawing down on someone just because they did something to one of your dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BikerRN View Post
    Heck, I'll eat the dog. Dog is a good meal.

    I place the value of human life far above that of any animal. I have three dogs. I am responsible for their care, and I meet that responsibility. Lots of people view animals as disposable, I don't. However, lots of people view children as disposable too.

    We have dominion over the animals. At least that is how I view it. With that comes responsibility too. Sadly, many people do not measure up to the responsibility they have been entrusted with.

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    I completely agree, except for maybe eating the dog.

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    I have a habit of giving what I get. My Lab is lying in the floor as I type this. He's gone to ground for me more than once when he thought it was needed. I'll do the same for him. Not so much for the rest of you. If I had to pick between you and him y'all be fending for yourselves until he's secure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    The welfare of humans must always be put above that of either "money" or animals. So, I don't endorse jail for this idiot.

    It really wasn't that many years back that this sort of incident was nothing more than an "accident" which at most merited one line in the local rag and a few shakes of the head ---but was in no way considered criminal.

    I'm not endorsing what was done, but I do not think this merits much of a punishment.

    There have been rare incidents where parents accidentally left kids in cars and were not prosecuted. In one I recall, a man drove to work with a baby in the car and forgot that he was supposed to take him to child care. The circumstances were such that there was no prosecution.

    Dogs (much as we love them) are dogs. They are not people.
    It really wasn't that many years back that lobotomies were performed. How long ago did you have yours, and what caused it to go so horribly wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rugergirl View Post
    It really wasn't that many years back that lobotomies were performed. How long ago did I have mine, and what caused it to go so horribly wrong?
    I fixed it for ya'.

    I don't condone what the idiot did, but I don't place human life below animal life and to do so sends us down a slippery slope that will come back to huant us in the legal arena.

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    The dog's owner needs to be in jail. Indifference toward the welfare of animals is morally wrong and a jailable offense. That was a despicable act of negligence on the owner's part. And this whole notion the welfare of any human is inherently more significant than the welfare of any animal is absurd and arrogant. The discretionary actions of humans determine their worth as human beings.

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