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    ANOTHER Newport News, VA cop arrested

    Newport News police officer charged with assault and battery | TOP STORIES | WVEC.com | News for Hampton Roads, Virginia

    The disgrace that is the Newport News Police Dept aside, what do you do here?

    A guy you know is an off-duty cop comes into your house at 1 am, yelling and screaming, pulls a gun and threatens to shoot people, then chokes the homeowner. What would've happened if the homeowner had a firearm and shot this guy? Do you think the homeowner would've been labeled a cop-killer and prosecuted? Hounded by the cops? Interesting situation.

    There needs to be some house-cleaning in Newport News.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    Newport News police officer charged with assault and battery | TOP STORIES | WVEC.com | News for Hampton Roads, Virginia

    The disgrace that is the Newport News Police Dept aside, what do you do here?

    A guy you know is an off-duty cop comes into your house at 1 am, yelling and screaming, pulls a gun and threatens to shoot people, then chokes the homeowner. What would've happened if the homeowner had a firearm and shot this guy? Do you think the homeowner would've been labeled a cop-killer and prosecuted? Hounded by the cops? Interesting situation.

    There needs to be some house-cleaning in Newport News.
    With all respect, we've heard one side of the story and the guy was arrested and charged as he should have been. What would've happened if the homeowner had a firearm and shot this guy? That is NOT what happened and any comment on that would be speculation, wouldn't it? Why comment on a non-issue. Isn't the actual event bad enough after all? IMHO, this just sounds like an open invitation for some cop bashing.
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    Actually that would depend on state law. In some states if it can be shown the officer involved was not acting in a official capacity and was himself violating the law his employment as a LEO is irrelevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardet65 View Post
    With all respect, we've heard one side of the story and the guy was arrested and charged as he should have been. What would've happened if the homeowner had a firearm and shot this guy? That is NOT what happened and any comment on that would be speculation, wouldn't it? Why comment on a non-issue. Isn't the actual event bad enough after all? IMHO, this just sounds like an open invitation for some cop bashing.
    I get what you're saying, and perhaps this should be in the "scenarios" board. Not an invitation to bash cops at all. Unfortunately, if you know anything about the NN PD and their recent history, they tend to bash themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holger View Post
    I get what you're saying, and perhaps this should be in the "scenarios" board. Not an invitation to bash cops at all. Unfortunately, if you know anything about the NN PD and their recent history, they tend to bash themselves.
    Yeah, unfortunately some cops are their own worst enemies and don't even know it. Many departments are afraid to get rid of their bad apples for various reasons I won't get into and it ends up costing them and all law enforcement dearly. There's a current case going on up here where an officer was charged and fired for stalking a female civilian while he was on duty. He's now blaming his department for being too lenient towards that type of behavior; As if somehow they caused him to do what he did. Insanity is running rampent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardet65 View Post
    That is NOT what happened and any comment on that would be speculation, wouldn't it? Why comment on a non-issue.
    Because speculation on what-ifs and management of them is half of what we do, here. For good reason.

    It's a good question: what would you do if unlawfully attacked and you defended yourself, only to find out the schmuck happened to be employed by a law enforcement agency? That's little different than any of the multitude of scenarios we ask ourselves every day, on DC, though a bit stickier given the person's affiliation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Because speculation on what-ifs and management of them is half of what we do, here. For good reason.

    It's a good question: what would you do if unlawfully attacked and you defended yourself, only to find out the schmuck happened to be employed by a law enforcement agency? That's little different than any of the multitude of scenarios we ask ourselves every day, on DC, though a bit stickier given the person's affiliation.
    Well, something else we do here is disagree. This post is commentary on an actual incident that occured. You should feel free to comment if you like but I believe we should stick to the facts as they are, not as how they might or could have been. If you want to discuss a POSSIBLE scenario post it as such so everyone's aware it's a made up event. However, I think that would still invite cop bashing because it's one thing to create a make believe situation but quite another to invent the manner and methods of how the police MIGHT or MIGHT NOT react to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mardet65 View Post
    We are commenting on an actual incident that occured. If you want to discuss it feel free but ...
    Uh, the original poster posed the question. It's part of what we're discussing. And yes, in a longer thread, some will choose to do so. It's speculation and it's clearly so, since it's not what occurred.

    Sure, cop "bashers" exist. But so long as it's the behavior we're focusing on, there's no infraction.

    Anyway. None of this is an issue, since it's all part of the OP's post.
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    12 posts removed. There were some misunderstandings that seem to now be cleared up. Keep to the topic and keep the arguments out of the open forum.

    Back to your regularly scheduled topic: see post #1.
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    the cop that broke in next door waving a gun seems to be doing a pretty good job of cop bashing on his own.i would have reported this cop to the fbi as soon as possible,
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    He was not acting on behalf of the PD at this point. Tough situation to ponder...kind of a no-win situation.
    As soon as he left...
    I'd call the state police and report the incident...the incident being a known LEO breaking into a home and assaulting a girlfriend.
    Next I would call the news media (all of them). That ought to get a response.

    It appears that an investigation is on-going.
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    I don't know, but I hope that if this story is true, this man never gets to be a LEO again, and should have to do extra time for acting this way since he is an LEO...

    Maybe he just watched that movie Lakeview Terrace and wanted to be Samuel L. Jackson?

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    Unfortunately for Newport News, they have had quite a few problems with their LEOs being arrested, indicted, or accused of crimes. They also tend to treat gun owners (both CCW and OCers) like criminals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Unfortunately for Newport News, they have had quite a few problems with their LEOs being arrested, indicted, or accused of crimes. They also tend to treat gun owners (both CCW and OCers) like criminals.
    seems high time to take an unbiased look at the whole dept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stormbringerr View Post
    seems high time to take an unbiased look at the whole dept.

    I'm not familier with NNPD but let's say they employ 100 officers - I think that's a reasonable estimate for a city that size. And yes, I have been there as recently as 2 years ago. Of course I'm speculating here, I don't know the real stats. But, even if they've had as many as 6 or 7 incidents of BAD COPS, if we do the math, does it reflect that an investigation of the entire department is necessary? This particular officer has been arrested and charged as he should have been. Investigating an entire department because of the actions of a few already seems a bit biased to me. Just my humble opinion.
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