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    Don't they have "black flag" days?

    We had them at FLETC. When the heat and the humidity is unbearable, they would declare it a black flag day and all physical training was conducted indoors.

    The last time I was at FLETC, a US Marshall died during P.T. There are usually 2 or 3 deaths every summer.
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    Well, we got the bigger low down on what happen. The soldier had heat exaustion, he was put in a truck by himself and was bounced out. The water cow being pulled by the truck that he was in ran over him and crushed is head
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    Quote Originally Posted by mi2az View Post
    Well, we got the bigger low down on what happen. The soldier had heat exaustion, he was put in a truck by himself and was bounced out. The water cow being pulled by the truck that he was in ran over him and crushed is head
    I proudly wore the US Army uniform for 25 years and continue to serve as a Department of the Army Civilian. This exemplifies what I see daily - no responsibility at any level. Our NCO Corps is hitting bottom. They are too busy trying to impress each other to take care of the person who counts - the soldier. Officers are busy trying to be squad leaders since the sergeants are not and the soldiers continue to suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mi2az View Post
    Well, we got the bigger low down on what happen. The soldier had heat exaustion, he was put in a truck by himself and was bounced out. The water cow being pulled by the truck that he was in ran over him and crushed is head
    rot roh... A tragic waste of life! Heat emergencies can become life threatening very quickly. There is no acceptable reason the recruit was left unattended while he was evac'd out! The driver does not count! To be bounced out of the back of a truck and run over is way out of bounds!

    Whether there was a corpsman on scene or not... NCO should have recognized a heat emergency and probable altered mental status and understood he couldn't care for himself! A gross dereliction of duty resulting in death!

    For crying out loud... He was a recruit! For that reason alone, he shouldn't have been unattended with any kind of medical condition, let alone having altered mental status and unsteady on his feet! Even if it was another recruit who rode with him there should have been an attendant. Don't they use the "buddy system" in the Army?
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    Boot camp is pretty tough. You have better resources and medical care once out in the fleet, or out in the field with your platoon than in basic. I remember the live fire drills we did in basic....crawling under barbed wire, through mud, and obstacles with frag grenades, smoke, and live 7.62 and 5.56 whizzing a couple of feet over our heads. Several years after I was out of the service, I remember hearing about a recruit getting hung up in the wire, and struggling to get free, stood up and got shot in the head under his helmet. I think that ultimately stopped the live fire exercises I'm talking about. Heat stress was always a constant issue and platoon members that were predisposed to heat illness were red flagged on their white shirts for PT, but seldom ever a corpsman around on the 3-5 mile runs, and several recruits falling out at times. As another member stated, seem to be several deaths each year during boot camp or basic training. But basic training the way I remember it was way far away from a "controlled environment" as someone else stated, and I was a Hollywood Marine. This incident shouldn't have happened, and someone WILL ultimately take responsibility for it. In summary once again, things of this nature point out the continued degradation of the morals in these days, and the care and respect for human life this country seemingly had at one time. Very sad, but we should understand the trend doesn't seem to be going back the other way. A downward spiral hopefully headed toward a new beginning.
    I'll pray for the family on their loss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCbuckeye12 View Post
    Basic Training is a very controlled environment. I guarantee there was water in the back of the truck for this soldier and during his march. What we don't know is if he was maintaining hydration as instructed.

    Heat stroke is very dangerous and can escalate rapidly. Every prior heat stoke or heat exhaustion casualty has to wear, typically red tape, on his helmet or softcap to identify him/her for close monitoring. Typically you don't know the prior history of a soldier attending basic other than what happens in basic.

    Let's not pass judgement. It will be investigated by CID thoroughly from every angle. The Army is very open about incidents such as this and there will be a report after the investigation. In the meantime may God provide strength and comfort to the fallen warriors family.
    Thanks SCbuckeye12, that's more than worthy of repeating!
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    I was a boot at MCRD San Diego in '81. Yeah, we had lots of heat fall outs and the like frequently. (July- Oct.) Our DI's were on the job and if anyone needed to go see a Corpsman they were escorted by a couple of fellow recruits if an ambulance didn't respond to the scene.

    We had one guy fall off one of the obstacles and sprained his ankle fairly bad. He rode into sick bay in a truck too, but his rack mate rode in back with him.

    I'm just sayin...
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    MCRD San Diego here - June-Sep, '93. Not near as hot as Parris island. However, I soon found myself at the MCAGCC in 29 Palms. It's pretty much the last stop before hell. When you're in those hot environments, you MUST force hydrate yourself. As an NCO, you MUST force hydrate your men (and women, if that's the case). Everybody on line, slamming their canteens. It can't be an option - especially in the combat arms.

    Very unfortunate.

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    This has happened more frequently in the past, e.g.; at Paris Island in particular.
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