September 1st, 2009 08:51 AM
man shoots shoplifter story (kinda long)
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Posted Sep 01, 2009 @ 12:00 AM
Last update Sep 01, 2009 @ 12:27 AM
Independence, MO — .An Independence man, responding to screams for help, pulled out a gun and shot a suspect in the neck as she attempted to flee the scene of an alleged shoplifting Saturday night, with the store manager clinging to the hood of the moving car.
The incident occurred at the Sunfresh grocery store at 23rd Street and Sterling Avenue in western Independence.
Loucinda M. Carroll, 41, of Independence, sustained wounds in her left shoulder and neck. Her injuries were not life threatening, and she was later charged with second-degree robbery.
The man who shot her, William Miller of Independence, had a valid permit to carry a concealed weapon.
According to the Jackson County Proscutor’s Office probable cause statement, Miller heard store manager Brenda Hill screaming for help as she clung to the hood of a 1993 Ford Taurus driven by Carroll. Hill had been struck by the car after she witnessed Carroll leaving the store with a bag of meat products without paying for them. Hill followed Carroll and a companion to the car and began to write down the license plate number when the car lunged toward Hill, according to the statement.
The car lunged at Hill a second time, striking her in the legs and causing her to fall on the hood of the vehicle. The car then accelerated toward the exit on Sterling Avenue, where Miller had parked his car in an attempt to block the Taurus from leaving. The police report states that Miller got out of his car and yelled at Carroll to stop the car and exit the vehicle.
Carroll continued to turn the vehicle and attempted to exit onto Sterling. According the statement, Miller told police he then feared for his life, as he was in danger of being hit by the car, and that of Hill who was still on the hood. Miller then pulled his 9mm pistol from his right side, yelled at Carroll to get out of the vehicle and fired through the driver’s side window.
The bullet struck Carroll’s left shoulder and neck, but she continued onto Sterling Avenue and traveled northbound about 250 feet to 23rd Street. She then turned left, traveling west on 23rd, before slowing the vehicle after realizing she’d been shot. Hill jumped off the vehicle unharmed.
Carroll drove to her son’s residence, 1024 Stone Arch Drive in Independence, where her son contacted the Independence Police Department and AMR Ambulance. She was taken to jail.
Miller could not be reached for comment Monday. Hill was back at work Monday but declined comment.
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September 1st, 2009 10:38 AM
Wow. The article starts with me thinking, "What the heck was he thinking shooting someone for shoplifting?" But then seeing that the driver was basically using her large deadly weapon to endanger multiple people, it looks like he made a tough choice and did well.
September 1st, 2009 11:15 AM
Sounds good to me. I believe it meets the criteria in my State for using deadly force.
Miller told police he then feared for his life, as he was in danger of being hit by the car, and that of Hill who was still on the hood...
September 1st, 2009 11:17 AM
What an irresistible moving target! I'm pretty sure cars kill people more than guns in these here United States, so he was right on.
I bet the employee was carried away by primal instinct. A jerk running away with a bag of meat... I think it's instinctive to run after that person no matter what. She did good in taking a license plate (though prob. a stolen car). I would have let them have it if they were that desperate. But they crossed the line when they try to mow people down.
September 1st, 2009 11:26 AM
my thoughts exactly..... stealing the meat one thing.... but if you are going to try to mow me down with a vehicle.......welp...
Originally Posted by i10casual
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September 1st, 2009 11:45 AM
So now running people over with your car is not a crime either? I am very surprised she is only being charged with shoplifting.
September 1st, 2009 12:02 PM
Yeah how about an assault charge?
Originally Posted by BaserRonin
September 1st, 2009 12:43 PM
September 1st, 2009 01:03 PM
Good shoot too bad his aim wasn't better,anybody that will try to run you down to get away with shoplifting needs some chlorine added to their gene pool
"Outside of the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the country,"
--Mayor Marion Barry, Washington , DC .
September 1st, 2009 01:06 PM
I know what you mean. Papers love those catchy headlines.
Originally Posted by cj
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September 1st, 2009 01:11 PM
Too late. It says she drove to her son's house.
Originally Posted by dukalmighty
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September 1st, 2009 01:21 PM
I need to practice on moving targets. That's some good shooting.
September 1st, 2009 01:58 PM
This is the first civilian shooting story I've seen in some time where the civilian did everything PERFECT up to and including the decision to shoot and the action of doing so.
It doesn't get any better than this, IMHO.
As to those who say and might think his accuracy could be better...Consider eh is firing at a moving target with a relatively small target window, literally, and quite possibly firing through glass too. All the while himself being in fear of his own life and possibly himself on the move to dodge the car and/or to gain a better angle to intercept and engage the driver.
That his shot made contact at all is excellent.
Because it was not immediately incapacitating is more so a reflection of human resilience rather than that of his shot placement being poor, which it was not.
Golf claps for this citizen all the way around.
"Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy
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September 2nd, 2009 04:13 PM
Mo CCW Shoots Shoplifter Attempting to Run People Down With Car!
An Independence Missouri CCW holder who had a broken foot and on crutches springs into action to save a store manager who was up on the hood of a shoplifters car and who then turned and tried to run him over!
Video and story link here.
Man Unapologetic for Shooting Suspected Shoplifter
Rob Low Meagan Kelleher, FOX 4 Web Producer
August 31, 2009
INDEPENDENCE, MO. - Did an Independence man go too far in shooting a suspected shoplifter? The store manager of a Sun Fresh grocery store in Independence was trying to stop a suspected female shoplifter when a bystander intervened and shot her.
You won't hear Bill Miller apologizing. The 37-year-old is on crutches because of a broken foot, but he still sprang to action when he saw the store manager at Sun Fresh chase a female shoplifter into the parking lot.
"The customer service girl coming out screaming, 'Help, help, my manager's on the hood,'" Miller said.
Armed with a 9 millimeter and a conceal carry permit, Miller left his crutches behind and hopped on one foot toward the suspected shoplifter's car.
"I had it pointed downward on her, I told her stop, she looked at me smiled, turned the wheel at me, acted like she was going to run me over," MIller said. "I fired one round, I thought she was going to kill me and the manager."
Miller hit the suspect in the arm and fired another round at her tire.
"Well I don't think he should've shot her, but I agree it's a good idea to try and stop her," customer George Fleming said.
"I don't know, I still think that's vigilante, I just don't go for it," customer Vicki Sims said. "I think it's a little too vigilante."
"No it's not, these criminals got to be stopped," Miller said.
"He was legal to carry it, he was protecting somebody's life or livelihood and he did the right thing," customer Leslie Reid said.
Miller said that police said they would not charge him and that what he did was justifiable.
Police and prosecutors haven't confirmed that to FOX 4, but Miller hasn't been charged so far.
The shoplifter has, though. Loucinda Carroll, 41, faces one count of robbery. Police said she was stealing meat.
"The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, prey on those who without one, would surely perish."
September 2nd, 2009 04:27 PM
Disgraceful to read that some citizens have stooping as low as to steeling meat from a grocery store, and it’s a shame this poor CCL holder had to get involved, to rescue the store manager.
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