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    Salem gun show mishap brings community service - Roanoke.com

    Salem gun show mishap brings community service
    One of the two men involved in the accidental firing of a rifle must also pay a fine.
    By Neil Harvey
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    Two men who were charged after a rifle was accidentally fired during a July gun show at the Salem Civic Center were ordered Tuesday to do community service. They must also make reparations to the civic center for the damage.

    Police said David Jack Gold, 74, a gun dealer from Bland, was replacing the stock on his military-style rifle with his friend, Thomas Raymond Allen, 52, of Max Meadows, when the weapon went off and shot the floor. The bullet's impact sprayed bits of concrete into Allen's face and he was taken to a hospital for his injuries.

    In Salem General District Court on Tuesday, Salem police Officer Mike Mills testified that Gold at first had said he'd bought the .308-caliber rifle from someone at the show but later admitted it was his gun and said he had brought it in through an entrance reserved for gun dealers.

    Loaded guns were not allowed at the gun show. Firearms brought through the show's main entrance were inspected by show officials and tagged with zip-ties.

    Gold testified he had test-fired the rifle days earlier and had not realized there was still a round in the chamber.

    Allen told Salem Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Skip Lautenschlager that the loaded weapon was on display on Gold's table for seven hours and was handled by at least three other people, until he and Gold attempted to replace the stock.

    Although he said he didn't recall touching the trigger, Allen admitted, "I must have."

    Judge Vincent Lilley chided Gold for initially misleading the police and took both men to task for not ensuring that the gun wasn't loaded.

    "Everybody knows you're supposed to know there's not a round down there" in the chamber, Lilley said, but said his concern was "more about what could have happened."

    He convicted Gold of reckless handling of a firearm and fined him $250. He also ordered Gold to complete 40 hours of community service for a charge of obstruction of justice, which will be dismissed in a year if Gold complies.

    Allen, who was charged with recklessly handling a firearm, must do 40 hours of community service. That charge also will be dismissed in a year if he completes the community service.

    They also must pay $10 restitution to the Salem Civic Center for damage caused by the gunshot.

    The rifle, Lilley said, will be held as evidence for a year and then destroyed.

    Robert Steven Elliott, president of C&E Gun Shows, the event's promoter, said after the incident that Gold had been participating as a gun dealer in his show for 25 years. Dealers sign a contract that states they are not to have loaded guns in their booths and that they are responsible for the actions of people behind their table, he said.

    The company will host another gun show at the civic center later this month. Gold has been barred from the show and C&E's upcoming events, Elliott said.
    Another gun show discharges involving a dealer.

    Hum, nearly all the discharges I read about involve a dealer or a weapon that a dealer had on display.
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    Needs to add chamber check to his muscle memory. At least the gun was pointed in a safe direction.
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    Gold testified he had test-fired the rifle days earlier and had not realized there was still a round in the chamber.
    A major violation of the basic safety rules. Some people are so stupid, it surprises me that they live long enough to die. This is one of the reasons I dont attend gun shows anymore.
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    This sort of thing is always in my head whenever I am at a gun show. The amount of unsafe weapon practices I see at them never fails to amaze me and I am always a little on edge because of the vast amount of potential that sit at every table.

    I am a little surprised that they destroy the weapon. I can see this being common practice for violent offenses but I wouldn't have expected it for misdemeanor charges as well.

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    Absolutely amazing that someone wasn't seriously injured or killed by this idiot!
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    It is unbelievable that a dealer would be so reckless as to have a loaded gun sitting out for the entire world to mess with and then pick it up and “accidentally” discharge it himself. Some dealers get so routine with setting the guns up at these shows they forget about safety. Thank god no one was shot and killed.
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    Candidate for a Darwin Award

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    Based on life experience, I understand how “Murphy’s Law” dominates a firearm. Just when you think in a million years, it could never happen to you, it does! Anyway, he really made things worst by making up that stupid story. Oh well, those unloaded guns will get you every time!
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    Is not the first rule of firearms is that it is ALWAYS loaded?

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    - Didn't know it was loaded
    - Didn't think he touched the trigger
    - Didn't think the rules for everyone else applied to him

    Is this a case of "familiarity breeds contempt?"

    Unless this guy is suffering from some organic brain problem, he ought not to be in the business of dealing in firearms with John Q. Public. Especially at a gun show, where you have no idea how experienced the potential customers are, the dealer has to be exceptionally careful about The Rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kicker96fs View Post
    Is not the first rule of firearms is that it is ALWAYS loaded?
    Well, actually no. The first rule is "muzzle control". He got that one half right keeping the muzzle pointed down except he broke the one that says; "never shoot at a hard or flat surface" (concrete floor). The guy is a moron!
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    Anyone else bothered by the statement that the rifle will be held for a year THEN DESTROYED???

    Yeah. . . . let's blame the gun.

    I can see not returning it to the idiot but why not find it a good home?
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    Besides being negligent, they are also incredibly lucky. This should be a wake-up reminder for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astute View Post
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    And yes people they live among us!!!!
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    ....& in the end.....the RIFLE GETS THE BLAME & WORST PUNISHMENT!

    Dealer gets a fine & loss of the gun....HOWEVER!, the GUN gets destroyed!
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