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    Two Letters to the Editor that I missed yesterday

    Competence is a key component in gun ownership - Roanoke.com

    Thursday, September 03, 2009


    Competence is a key component in gun ownership

    Dan Casey must be one of those idiotic people he wrote about in his recent Sunday column ("Getting permit was the easy part," Aug. 30), otherwise, he could have easily not wasted his time finding out how a responsible, law-abiding citizen would go about getting a concealed carry permit in the first place.

    He didn't need to spend his time complying with the law and waiting to be issued his permit. Instead, he could simply carry his loaded handgun holstered on his hip in plain view. Open carry in the commonwealth of Virginia is not prohibited.

    He could have made that decision in the privacy of his own home, while he nursed a six-pack if he liked. Or he could have chosen to do like the common criminal does and not bother to comply with the law in the first place.

    Common sense dictates that one would take the necessary time to become familiar and proficient with a handgun before carrying it concealed or open. Demonstrating competence is the first step to being proficient and responsible. Now that Casey has a concealed carry permit, I hope he doesn't carry a handgun until he becomes proficient.

    KEN GORSKY, JR.
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    What is the issue with concealed weapons?

    Re: Dan Casey's column, "Getting permit was the easy part" (Aug. 30):

    I do not understand the point of this article. I see no difference between an idiot (as Casey puts it) getting a concealed weapons permit who does not know how to use a handgun and the same idiot buying a handgun and strapping it on his side, out in the open.

    I would have to agree with Chris LaCivita that anyone wanting to get a firearm of any type, concealed or not, should use common sense.

    I think Casey has issues with anyone having a concealed weapons permit. That's what I get out of the article. I, for one, do not need the government to tell me if I have enough common sense. Maybe Casey does.

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    Here is the original column.

    Getting permit was the easy part - Roanoke.com


    Thank you, Commonwealth of Virginia.

    Thank you, Concealed Carry Institute.

    Thank you, state Sen. Ken Cuccinelli.

    All of you deserve my gratitude, because on Wednesday I joined 203,131 other Virginians who hold state-issued permits to carry loaded, concealed handguns in the commonwealth.

    I can also carry a concealed handgun in 12 other states that grant reciprocity to Virginia permit holders. Among them are North Carolina, Tennessee and West Virginia.

    Never mind that I have never fired a pistol.

    Never mind than I have never gripped one in my fingers.

    Never mind that, as of this column, I have never laid a finger on a handgun in my life.

    Under Virginia law, that is no bar to obtaining a concealed carry permit.

    You might wonder how something like this could come to pass.

    Can any idiot get a concealed carry permit?

    In Virginia, the answer is pretty much "Yes," with a few caveats.

    You have to be at least 21. You need a clean criminal record. You can't be mentally ill, or be a drug addict or dealer. Or have a restraining order against you.

    And you have to demonstrate "competence" with a gun.

    That fine print about "competence" always was the sticking point for a handgun virgin like me.

    In states such as Arizona, you have to take an eight-hour, in-person class to demonstrate gun competence. In Florida, an instructor must witness you handling and firing a weapon. In Delaware, you have to fire at least 100 rounds on a range with the instructor present.

    Not in Virginia.

    Thanks to a law introduced by Cuccinelli, R-Fairfax County, and passed by the Virginia General Assembly this year, you no longer need to demonstrate your competence to a live person.

    Instead, you can take a one-hour, $40 streaming video course on the Internet, courtesy of the Concealed Carry Institute, whose owner, Robert Marcus, in December donated $1,000 to Cuccinelli's campaign for attorney general.

    You can do it in the privacy of your own home, while you nurse a six-pack if you like.

    And if you pass the true/false and multiple-choice quiz that comes after the video, your certificate pops up on your computer screen. You just press a button to print it out. It's easier than pulling a trigger.

    Cuccinelli's law requires circuit court judges to accept my Concealed Carry Institute certificate as proof of competence.

    None of that touching bullets, loading a gun or actually firing it stuff.

    Then you take your printer-paper certificate down to the courthouse, fill out an application in the circuit court clerk's office, submit your fingerprints and photo, and then wait a month or so. The clerk calls when your permit is ready.

    That is how I obtained my concealed carry permit without ever touching a handgun.

    I spoke to Cuccinelli's campaign spokesman about this Thursday. He was not amused.

    Chris LaCivita said, more or less, that nobody besides me would be foolish enough to get a permit without knowing how to handle a gun.

    "You can go on your crusade about this ... but the bottom line is this: If you, as an individual, want to carry a concealed weapon without having the common sense to know how to use it, that's your choice," LaCivita said. "It's stupid, but it's your choice."

    And it was legislation Cuccinelli wrote that gave me that choice.

    The Virginia General Assembly passed this bill six times: three times in the state Senate and three time in the House of Delegates. Del. Steve Shannon, D-Fairfax, who is Cuccinelli's opponent in the attorney general's race, voted for it, too.

    In a fit of common sense, Gov. Tim Kaine vetoed it.

    Both the House and Senate voted to override that veto. So now it is the law of the land. It took effect July 1.

    And I have my permit. Even though I have never laid a finger on a pistol in my life.

    To me, that's final proof that Virginia's concealed carry law is insanely weak, utterly ridiculous and absolutely reckless.

    It makes about as much sense as the General Assembly giving blind people permits to drive.
    Seems responsibility and the law are two different things.

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    Can any idiot get a concealed carry permit?

    In Virginia, the answer is pretty much "Yes," with a few caveats.

    You have to be at least 21. You need a clean criminal record. You can't be mentally ill, or be a drug addict or dealer. Or have a restraining order against you.

    And you have to demonstrate "competence" with a gun.
    He has certainly demonstrated the any idiot part is true.
    But, then he is a journalist, so I repeat myself.

    Here, sport, I fixed the article for you:

    "Can any idiot get a permit to use a typewriter/word processor?

    In VA, the answer is apparently yes, with no caveats.

    You don't have to be 21. You can be a convicted felon. You can be mentally ill, a drug addict and a dealer. You can have a restraining order against you (for domestic violence, or anything else).

    And you don't have to demonstrate "competence" with grammar, logic, thought of any kind, or even mental competence."

    But, of course, all the above comments about owning and using typewriters/word processors is guarded by the Constitution.

    Oh, wait...

    (Just thinking out loud, and tired of stupid people writing illogical and dangerous articles in newspapers and blogs.)
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    "You can go on your crusade about this ... but the bottom line is this: If you, as an individual, want to carry a concealed weapon without having the common sense to know how to use it, that's your choice," LaCivita said. "It's stupid, but it's your choice."

    +1 When did laws come to replace common sense? This guy will be the one that will want to blame and sue the gun manufacturer when he shoots himself or hide behind the law when he injures or kills someone because he's stupid. I can't stand irresponsible people.
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