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This is a discussion on Melanie Hain - OC Soccer mom killed (Merged) within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by joker1 This is a tragic event, I feel terrible for the innocent children. Unfortunately main stream media and the brady bunch will ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by joker1 View Post
    This is a tragic event, I feel terrible for the innocent children.

    Unfortunately main stream media and the brady bunch will spin this toward the GUN having killed a mother and then a killer. They will fail to see that even with the abscence of a gun in the home this act would likely have still occured. It could have been a lot different crime scene but still with 2 dead bodies. There are so many ways to kill a human being once you make that decision. The gun was simply a tool, one of thousands of tools, that was used to carry out what a human desired to do to another human.

    I hope the kids can someday get past this and lead a somewhat normal life. They lost a mother who was obviously a fighter, and a father who lost his fight with self contol.

    Joker1
    These kids will have to replay this horrible event in there minds for the rest of there lives.

    And that is truly tragic.
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    to answer any questions about why she wasn't armed:

    Meleanie used to run a daycare service out of her home, before she lost all her business due to the the media storm that followed her court case. as such, she made a habit of securing her weapon in a safe, away from the kids, so the parents wouldn't freak out. she kept with that habit even after her daycare business folded, mostly due to pressure from her husband, who did not like to see her armed. isn't that odd?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jahwarrior72 View Post
    as such, she made a habit of securing her weapon in a safe ... even after her daycare business folded, mostly due to pressure from her husband, who did not like to see her armed. isn't that odd?

    Yup. Disarm them. Then, exterminating them ends up being so much easier. History bears out this sort of thinking. Good strategy, if extermination is your ultimate goal. Pretty risky, though, if ultimate survival is.

    Sad story. Killed in the end by a murderer she couldn't defend against. Entirely likely, I wonder if she was in fact unarmed at the time of the execution. Sad, all around.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
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    I wonder who's gun and.or where did he get the gun he used as against her and himself?

    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    Sad story, and my prayers are with her family. Story was on CNN today where I was eating lunch; sitting by myself eating my sushi next to a table of about 6 middle-aged professionals who were discussing the foolishness of gun ownership, in light of the news story tradgedy. One of them commented on how much better the UK is at protecting an unarmed populace. A chorus of agreement and general distaste for firearms was expressed by the group, along with some other liberal anti-2A banter.

    I kept to myself, thankful for the locked & loaded XD .40 at my side. If only the sheep knew how unsafe this world really is...
    "...for all who draw the sword will die by the sword." Matthew 26:52

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    I wonder who's gun and.or where did he get the gun he used as against her and himself?

    - Janq
    His gun. It may have been his issue weapon. He shot her six times from behind as she spoke to a friend via web cam. He then shot his cowardly self with a shotgun.

    Meleanie Hain shooting was witnessed on Web cam, police say | Breaking Midstate News with The Patriot-News - - PennLive.com

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    ...Meleanie Hain's handgun was found fully loaded and in a backpack near the front door of the home, police said.

    The couple's three children were home at the time of the shooting...ages 2, 6 and 10
    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

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    One of the comments in the article stated:

    THe firearm that was used in the crime appears to have been the one issued to her husband from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania for his job as a parole officer
    If this is true, then I wonder what the Brady Bunch will have to say now.
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    Disarmed by the murderer ahead of time.

    Executed from behind.

    It was so much more convenient for him that way.



    In reading after-action reports of some other great advocates for self-defense who were unfortunately killed, the writers were hesitant to discuss the events, and certainly meant no disrespect. However, several commented that the ones who were slain would very likely want others to learn from their individual tragedies. I would, if I am gunned down, desire that the events surrounding my death be discussed so others may learn what to avoid and perchance fair better than I did.

    Having said that, the one thing that stands out in my mind is her guard was probably down, even in light of the recent turmoil between her and her husband. Certainly she didn't expect him to walk up behind her and start firing, at least I don't think so.

    That's all I want to say out of respect for her, her family, and her friends. Maybe I can learn something from the mindset of her killer, which may help me in some future encounter.

    I didn't know her, but I'm pretty sure she'd want the best for us.

    She did more for 2A freedoms in one year than perhaps I'll ever do, regardless of how long I live. I appreciate her efforts, and I admire her courage. I despise the coward who ended her life.

    I hope we can all learn something from her.

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    I hope her kids get all the help they need.

    Her kids should sue the state since it was the state's firearm that killed her, right? Absolutely not advocating this, but using BB logic all LEO should have to turn in their weapons at the end of their shift - it's for the children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    ...In reading after-action reports of some other great advocates for self-defense who were unfortunately killed, the writers were hesitant to discuss the events, and certainly meant no disrespect. However, several commented that the ones who were slain would very likely want others to learn from their individual tragedies. I would, if I am gunned down, desire that the events surrounding my death be discussed so others may learn what to avoid and perchance fair better than I did...
    Ditto Grady.
    I feel the exact same way.
    If in death one can save a life or ten, then well that is a death with meaning.

    In this case though one cannot speculate as to if this dudes actions were predictable muchless possible to defend against.

    So sad.

    - Janq
    "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy

    "A license to carry a concealed weapon does not make you a free-lance policeman." - Florida Div. of Licensing

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    ...Meleanie Hain's handgun was found fully loaded and in a backpack near the front door of the home, police said.
    You've got to wonder whether having it on her would have made any difference. Obviously, it didn't do her much good sitting in a bag on the floor.

    She was speaking of divorce, recently. I wonder if she knew things were going "south," going so badly he might well snap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pro2A View Post
    I've heard a little more information regarding her death from people who knew her better then I. She was in the process of getting a protection order from her husband and possibly a divorce, but I believe she was afraid to tell him in fear that he may become violent.
    Wow.

    What's that folks say about such "protection" orders? That the greatest value is as a replacement for toilet paper, for all the actual protection they provide.

    If she knew of violence in his past and feared it of him, one would think EXITING IMMEDIATELY would have been preferable to hanging around. Though, there's no way to know if that would have improved things.
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    the kids are now with Grandma, and the family dog is in good hands. the police are refusing to say if the children were witnesses; i'm glad for that. things are being put into motion right now, that will benefit her kids. here is one event planned:

    MELEANIE HAIN MEMORIAL SHOOT --- NOV. 1ST, HERBERLINGS GUN SHOP
    PROMPTON, PA.

    Hemlockshooters is hosting a "Memorial Shoot" for Meleanie Hain's children.
    The time is 12:00 noon till 4:00pm.
    ENTRY FEE = $10.00 P.P.
    AUCTION WILL BE HELD EVERY HOUR
    REFRESHMENTS: Hot Dogs, Hamburgers & Sodas will be available for purchase.

    100% of all moneys collected will go to whatever fund is set up for the benefit of Meleanie's kids.

    Hemlockshooters will be grateful for all that want to help, please e-mail Hemlockshooters@aol.com if you wish to donate something for the raffle, or can help with logistics.

    Heberling's Sports Shop

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    if anyone here would like to help in any way, or has any suggestions to help her kids, feel free to visit PAFOA, through these links:

    Meleanie Hain Memorial Shoot - Nov. 1st - NEPA

    Meleanie Hain arrangements committee: Enroll here/brainstorm here

    SheFearsNothing Memorial / Donations Website - Ideas and help needed

    Group Shoot #32/ Meleanie Hain Memorial Shoot.

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    Thumbs up

    Jah:

    Thank you for posting the information.



    Quote Originally Posted by grady View Post
    In reading after-action reports of some other great advocates for self-defense who were unfortunately killed, the writers were hesitant to discuss the events, and certainly meant no disrespect. However, several commented that the ones who were slain would very likely want others to learn from their individual tragedies. I would, if I am gunned down, desire that the events surrounding my death be discussed so others may learn what to avoid and perchance fair better than I did.

    Absolutely.

    Discussion of circumstances from the vantage point of attempting to learn something, to make something positive happen out of the morass, isn't an evil. It's about the only good that can come out of such a situation. It's not sacrilege. It's honoring the honorable dead in about the only way that's possible, in the same way the investigators, healthcare docs/staff and others seek to do every day. It's what can be done.

    May we do it well, learn it well, and make such changes to our own preparations in future so that such things don't happen in our own lives.

    May the murderer rot and fry. May he and his murderous actions quickly be forgotten.

    May Meleanie be remembered for her strength, commitment and dedication to her children, come Hell or high water. May her detractors come to see this is all she was about, when dismissing their hateful, spiteful, fearful attacks on her and her family as a result of her stand. May she be remembered for her children and the strength and honor she showed on their behalf.
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    Thoughts: Justifiable self defense (A.O.J.).
    Explain: How does disarming victims reduce the number of victims?
    Reason over Force: The Gun is Civilization (Marko Kloos).
    NRA, SAF, GOA, OFF, ACLDN.

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