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    Very sad. A lesson learned to always be sure of what you are firing at before you actually fire.
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    Definitely going to keep my flashlight closer to my gun from now on...
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    I read this this afternoon and chills ran down my back. My HK Hottie and I got married yesterday.
    I cannot imagine how devastated I would be if anything ever happened to her!
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    What happened to shouting:

    "The police are on the way and I have a gun!"

    I assume if his fiancee heard that she would have identified herself and that would have been that.

    Either way, what a terrible tragedy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova View Post
    Definitely going to keep my flashlight closer to my gun from now on...
    Last spring there was a thread where being discussed was what should be a persons first purchase IF they could only afford one as in the immediate:

    * Night/Tritium sights
    * Flashlight/illuminator of some sort to go hand in hand with the gun (pistol or shotgun)

    I'd then and have been for ages suggesting _flashlight_ first, as for the reasons I'd stated prior.
    Quite simply you cannot hit what you cannot see, which you cannot positively identify, that you cannot just assume is a 'threat'...Even as you think you should be as alone.

    But folks at that time gave me, and several others as follow on, the business.
    Blah blah night what you talkin' bout Willis!? Night sights!

    Uh huh, okay.

    This is just the latest example of such a belief although it happens roughly once a quarter, same scenario of mistaken identity as in a low light/no light civilian shooting.

    With a light one cane see and confirm BOTH the target AND the sights be it tritium/white dot/black.
    With tritium sights one can only see and confirm the sight.

    This should be a no brainer.
    Yet another lesson to learn and make use of, by proxy. :|

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    Geez ...what a horrible shame.

    He thought she was in bed with him???? (This is from today's FL news)

    This guy is a moron and gives the rest of us a bad name. Shame doesn't come close to what happened to her.

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    Doesn't say if he was still groggy from sleep. I know people won't agree with this but that possibility - being not fully alert + another - make me keep loaded guns in the safe, combination half-entered at night and wheel turned so I can quickly get to the last 2 numbers. A better chance I'd have to be awake to do that. For light for that and after I have a surefire by the bed. I know I couldn't get to it instantaneously but the extra 30 seconds might still be enough time. The other reasons is the particulars of my household - with some coming into the house (not my apartment though) at very late and random hours, which could increase chances of an error. Whatever, it's a practical compromise for me.

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    If it happened like the report says, I think he should go to prison.
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    I've just never understood how someone can not keep a flashlight with their home defense weapon. Even a cheap gas station LED flashlight with some good, brand name batteries is better than nothing.

    I mean, unless you keep your lights on in your home 24/7, it's going to be $10 well spent. Plus if you keep it with your weapon, you'll know exactly where it is in the event of a power outage too.

    This is just a senseless, completely avoidable tragedy. My heart goes out to her family, and to him too. He'll have to live with this for the rest of his life.
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    What a tragedy. Just imagine what that guy has got to be going through about now (not saying he doesn't deserve it...). This is exactly why I installed a "directional" LED nightlight in the hallway. It is light sensitive so it only comes on at night, and the lens can be rotated so that it only shines in one direction (down the hall away from the bedroom door). It doesn't throw any light on me standing in the BR doorway, but it lights up the hallway pretty well with eyes adjusted for the dark. It was cheap too. I also keep decent flashlights in several places throughout the house, the best and brightest one in my nightstand. That's really more for general practicality than HD, but it works either way. I would never shoot at anything/anyone I hadn't 100% identified for this very reason.
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    Criminally stupid, just like killing a bystander due to a negligent discharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    My read ...

    Lesson for us: If you fire at unidentified shadows, figures or silhouettes and aren't 100% certain all family members are accounted for, you can end up taking out a family member.

    Sort of the same thing that police sometimes do, when a person flinches or turns and is subsequently shot down in spite of not having a weapon, because the outline or silhouette suggested the possibility of a weapon.

    In each case, it's hard to call back the bullet(s) for a do-over, if the assumptions in such quick-draw situations turn out to be lacking.

    Tragic. One of the problems with having firearms is that this type of thing can occur more easily, since it allows you to "reach out and touch someone" from a distance, allowing (apparent) mistakes of identification to occur.

    The Brady Bunch will add this to the list of horrible things that can occur, merely because firearms exist. In reality, realistic force-on-force training, procedures such as validating presence of all family members and awaiting positive ID could help guard against such mistakes.

    I read that this morning on Yahoo news at work. I can't post at work much less visit the forum for the filtering. I think it extremely tragic on this ordeal. I think no malice was involved. Just a terrible tragedy in my opinion. If the love was genuine enough, and under the circumstances, I'm thinking there may even be a suicide in the near future connected with this ordeal. My apologies if I have offended anyone. I think we might hear more on this in the future.
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    I am not going to shoot at an unidentified target. It's one of the 4 cardinal rules!

    I have flashlights out the ying yang so I can ensure I won't shoot an unidentified target.

    Gross negligence as far as I'm concerned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bm7b5 View Post
    If it happened like the report says, I think he should go to prison.
    I have to agree with you on that. I hope I never have to face an intruder in my home in the middle of the night but there is a reason I have night lights in the hallway and keep a flashlight next to the gun.
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