April 18th, 2006 03:25 PM
now you know why I usually don't answer these types of questions.
Gun control is hitting what you aim at
April 18th, 2006 03:38 PM
In point of fact, that story is in the archives here. It was two BGs, with 3 rounds each (the 3rd BG hauled tail, and received no fire).
Originally Posted by freakshow10mm
Which works out to $3k per shot fired. I'll bet he would have jumped at the reduced rate of $2k per shot.
April 18th, 2006 04:28 PM
Didn't know that post got here too. Must have misread/ misrecalled from GT. My bad.
April 18th, 2006 05:01 PM
Thank You acparmed for your above comment
Before the entire thread makes a left hand turn I think I'll force it back on topic.
Answer the question or don't answer it. Please don't throw in your 2 cents...on the types of people (that in your opinion) even ask the question.
You have absolutely no idea why the author of this thread asked the original thread question.
I personally could probably think of at least 50 valid and justified reasons for asking the question that are 100% perfectly normal.
April 19th, 2006 09:52 AM
I almost had to shoot a person. I was younger, like 16, and they were breaking into my house. My dog alerted and the door slammed shut. I opened it back up (mistake #1). I then fired a warning shot above the person's head (mistake #2 - I believe quite differently now). When he didn't run I leveled the Single Six loaded with magnums at his chest and had 3lbs on that 5lb trigger before his paralysis broke. I never called the cops (mistake #3) but instead loaded every gun I had at that time and barricaded myself behind the couch with my Winchester 94/22 aimed at the door until my dad got up and asked what I was doing, then told me to put the guns away.
I was charged by trained attack dogs while I was on sheet ice (mistake #1). My dog was behind me with a camping trailer on my right and the house on the left (mistake #2). I fired three times, counting my shots as I do when I'm training. I do remember looking at what I'd hit if I missed -- and I did miss -- but there was nothing that was in immediat peril as that's the country. Even though I missed the dogs turned and hightailed it out of there. I went in, unloaded the pistol, called the sheriff's dept, and went back outside unarmed. The owner had control of his dogs. He locked them up, came over and confronted me. I just told him a deputy is on his way and then I shut my mouth. Deputy gets there, I tell him I have a pistol and it's unloaded in the house. I asked if he needed to see my permit or anything. Neighbor starts going off about how they were just "puppies" etc and would I expect him to shoot at one of my dogs if it was loose? I answered that, if it threatened him, I would fully expect it to be shot and it would be on my head for not having tighter control. He just answered with "bull****." (sorry, I starred the word out, but that's what he said. I'm trying to relate everything). We had some hard feelings for while. Seems he was astonished at the revelation that I didn't bring the pistol out just to shoot the dogs but actually carry the thing. I didn't tell him what I was thinking: That if I thought I'd need to shoot something I would have brought the shotgun out.
He's since "seen the light" about improperly training attack/guard dogs and has gotten rid of them. He has a very gentle lab and there are no more hard feelings. He just started striking up conversations after about a year had passed. I think he just had to get used to some things and face some hard truths. He was new country if you'll accept the term and didn't know what to expect.
All the deputy was concerned about was whether we were in the city limits (no, and I doubt I will ever live there) and the dogs running loose. That's what he put down in his report in fact. Never mentioned the shooting. I called him out there halfway because I thought I might need a mediator with the neighbor.
Now when it was all said and done I stopped remembering things. By the time the deputy got there I had to send my lil' bro, who was visiting, back in to get my wallet in case I had to show ID. Then I got the shakes. I've never seen anything more terrifying than a charging pitbull.
Reading back over this post I see that it focuses primarily on the aftermaths. When I shoot I am emotionless. It's like I just don't have time for fear or anger. It's afterward, when the adrenaline and realization of what happened really hits, that I get, well, goofy (not silly, but I feel punch drunk and shaky).
Besides, shoots just happen too fast, at least the two I've been in. It's the aftermath.
Would you agree? I'm not trying to hijack the thread: If there are those who are willing to discuss the aftermath I will start a new one.
Those are my thoughts on the subject.
May 1st, 2006 01:47 PM
A Bulldog coming up on me fast from across the street. No way that I was going to outrun or find some type of barrier.
By the time I recognized the threat, pulled and aimed my weapon, it was 6 feet away. The 21 foot rule does not count when the aggressor is on four legs.
One shot to it's head and then another tap to stop the animal's suffering.
The neighbor that owned the dog wasn't my best friend that day, but he certainly understood. Thankfully, so did the police.
May 1st, 2006 09:53 PM
I see you're from Indianapolis. My mom's side lives there almost exclusively and I lived there until I was 10 so I'm a bit familiar with the place.
Would you say that your experience in Indiana and our capitol especially leads you to believe that the biggest threats are on four legs?
I know in Vincennes I pulled my pistol twice on dogs. One was protecting its property as I walked by. I didn't like it stalking me though. The second ran up and started growling, baring its teeth. I told my companion to slooooly back away and I leveled the sights on the head. Friggin' standoff. Then I got an idea: I was carrying an empty Gatorade bottle. I've raised dawgs all my life and they all like to fetch. So, I took a chance on sudden movement, tossed that sucker, and the dog went after it, grabbed it, and took off, looking over its shoulder. My I looked back and my female companion was still standing there. Man, I chewed her good.
This happened in full view of an open Domino's Pizza. Nobody called the police or even seemed concerned.
May 1st, 2006 10:22 PM
The reason a lot of vets won't talk about what they went through is because they would be talking to people who don't have a clue. This is not a flippant answer, and I'm not trying to talk down to anyone.
Originally Posted by Ti Carry
The experiences are only shared with those who have been there - if you have to ask what the look in their eyes means when they gloss over or grow haunted, then you won't understand the answer and you haven't earned the right to be part of that conversation. I've heard of the rare father who has confided in his son - but in my experience those sons had always seen the elephant themselves.
That's the only way I know how to explain it. The old vets never used to talk to me about their experiences. Now we share sometimes.
It's a brotherhood, borne of blood thicker than family.
May 1st, 2006 10:30 PM
Never had to point a gun at someone. But had three times I came close.
Slinging beer in a small logging town, had kicked a troublemaker out the day before, he confronted me and waved a .22cal pistol around acting tough, I pulled out my .455 revolver out of the truck and told he does that again I will shoot him, I knew he was full of piss and vinegar and he gave a wide berth after that. Same town and some other lowlifes made threats at me about taking shots at me in the bush, told them I am always armed with me .303 or 44-40 Lever action and would return fire, they to left me alone.
Came off ammo duty at Ft Lewis (North Fort, 1980’s) as the Duty Sgt with my issue Browning Hi-Power to find out that one of our female soldiers had taken a walk (despite orders to be escorted) Went looking for her and found her being accosted by a group of US Soldiers, they didn’t want to let her go, pulled the Hi-power cocked it and looked at them, they backed off.
Another ammo duty, Yakima, out on the ranges, myself and a young plug. Down the road a US soldier had done some drugs (angel dust) started blasting away with his M16. He saw our lights and came towards us. We called Range control, sent the young guy off into the bushes and laid in the ditch with the Hi-power waiting for him (sort of dark) US MP’s arrived, tried to talk to him, ended up shooting him, he was alive when taken away.
Glad nothing came of any of the incidents above.
May 1st, 2006 11:14 PM
With utmost respect to Pickpocket and all of those who did what they had to do when they went to war, I think this topic is addressing those dads and moms and mothers and fathers who just want to protect their families and/or themselves. If you have had to pull the trigger in self defense, how did it affect your life. Did you put away your gun to never carry again? Are you still just as adamant about using lethal force to protect your family? These are good questions that those people can answer. Granted, no one will know how they will be affected by such an action, but answers to questions can help us who haven't been there. I'm not interested in the gruesome details, or if you grade A+ of F- on how you handled yourself during the encounter. I'm interested in the future.
Once again, my utmost respect to those who have to live every day with the thoughts and nightmares of war. I get to write this because of you, and I thank you.
My 2 cents worth
Charlie - 40FIVER
Why I carry:
"The heart is deceitul above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
May 2nd, 2006 11:08 AM
I agree - that's exactly what this thread is addressing. I was simply taking a moment to comment on why people (especially vets) are so reluctant to discuss these things, about why it's often such a sensitive question to ask. I was reading a couple of posts about people who just won't talk about it and thought I'd add in my bloated 2-cents.
May 2nd, 2006 11:29 AM
I know for a fact that how others handle the aftermath of a shooting incident will have NO bearing on how YOU handle it , its all up to you to think out the consequences that putting someone down will have on you psychological ( whether you kill them or not ) . Its never easy to go through and i hope none of our members have to live with the experience (again ) . Just take into consideration that after the dust settles you will see another side of the person where he was a loving son, father , brother etc.. and its most likely not bulls*it no one is all evil or all good . If you have to use lethal force on someone focus on surviving the incident , you can always seek help with your psychology after the fact .
Make sure you get full value out of today , Do something worthwhile, because what you do today will cost you one day off the rest of your life .
We only begin to understand folks after we stop and think .
Criminals are looking for victims, not opponents.
May 2nd, 2006 01:39 PM
I found that the people who think that 4 legged animals have more rights than the 2 legged variety, to be the real problem.
Those people who don't control their pets in a reasonable manner irk me. Those people who think any force to be excessive, when said 'dumb' animal is about to rip the flesh from my bone, really irk me.
I wonder what they would do if my Black Lab decided to make a meal of their children?
May 2nd, 2006 09:11 PM
In combat...........Gulf war. U.S. ARMY.
May 2nd, 2006 09:44 PM
Thanks for the post Redneck Repairs. I'm beginning to think that some things are better left alone.
I do have another question that hopefully will get some feedback:
Will you men/women who have been there let us know how LE handled your confrontation? Were they supportive of you? Or were you treated just like the crimminals? How about the DA's office? I would hope that LE and DA's would support and help you as much as possible. I'm sure we can't assume that the cops and DA's office will always be on our side.
Charlie - 40FIVER
Why I carry:
"The heart is deceitul above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
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