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    Bad Man charged with Murder (intruder killed) UK

    A man has been charged with murdering a 17-year-old who was stabbed after breaking into a house in Nottingham.

    BBC NEWS | UK | England | Nottinghamshire | Man charged over 'burglar murder'

    Aren't you glad that most States have "Castle" Law?????
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out

    Tint Bob (UK)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint Bob View Post

    Aren't you glad that most States have "Castle" Law?????

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    Yes sir I am.

    I read several reports concerning similar instances of victims being guilty of 'fighting' back regardless of the circumstances.

    It boggles the mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tint Bob View Post

    Aren't you glad that most States have "Castle" Law?????
    Will be interesting to see how this plays out

    Tint Bob (UK)
    I'm indeed glad we have "Castle Law" and would wish the same for our Brit cousins.

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    UK. the same country that has baned all guns.

    How is that "rolling over for the government" and the "we must do something" working out for you?
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    Maybe someone more familiar with GB's political climate can tell me if the age of the would-be burglars is playing a part in the charges? Not that I believe that a 14 or 17 year old can't kill you just as dead, but I don't know how the 'age' card plays outside the US.

    It's things like this that should serve as a reminder to all of us that we must vigilantly protect the rights that we have in this country.

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    Nowhere does it say that the two teens broke into the 'murderer's house, or a house as owned by the 'murderer'.
    In fact that whole article is quite thin with statement of no facts but that a 17 yr. old and 14 yr. old were stabbed and one died.

    I cannot and would not leap to any conclusion by a news report that is only a paragraph long offering basically no details at all toward the event.

    Who, what, where, when, why and how.
    The basic questions of journalism and reporting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Nowhere does it say that the two teens broke into the 'murderer's house, or a house as owned by the 'murderer'.
    In fact that whole article is quite thin with statement of no facts but that a 17 yr. old and 14 yr. old were stabbed and one died.

    I cannot and would not leap to any conclusion by a news report that is only a paragraph long offering basically no details at all toward the event.
    Wise words Janq.... As I said originally, It will be interesting how this plays out"
    For sure there is more to this than what is being reported, last time I recall something big occuring like this was the Tony Martin Case

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)

    In 1999 Martin was living in an isolated farmhouse in Emneth Hungate, Norfolk, nicknamed "Bleak House". He claimed to have been burgled several times, losing 6,000 worth of furniture. Martin also complained about police inaction over the burglaries. The police reports state that multiple items and furniture were stolen such as dinner ware and a grandfather clock. The neighbours also had police reports of robbers, some believing they were the ones Martin shot at.

    On the night of 20 August 1999, two burglars Brendon Fearon, 29, and Fred Barras, 16 entered Bleak House.[2] When confronted, they attempted to flee through a window. Shooting in the dark, Martin shot Fearon in the leg, and Barras in the back.[1] Fearon was able to leave and obtain aid from a couple living nearby, and was then taken into hospital where he was treated.[citation needed] Martin subsequently left the farm and fled[neutrality disputed] to his mother's house, where he left the firearm.[citation needed] He then spent that evening drinking at a local inn, owned by a friend and stayed for the night. Barras was later found dead on the grounds by a police dog. At no time did Martin call the police or any other authorities to inform them of what had happened. Fearon, arrested while treated for his injuries did not mention his accomplices in crime to the police, though he knew his young accomplice Barras had been injured, presumably to protect them from prosecution. Had Fearon done so, a police search may have found Barras in the grounds, before he died of the injuries.[citation needed]


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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    Nowhere does it say that the two teens broke into the 'murderer's house, or a house as owned by the 'murderer'.
    In fact that whole article is quite thin with statement of no facts but that a 17 yr. old and 14 yr. old were stabbed and one died.

    I cannot and would not leap to any conclusion by a news report that is only a paragraph long offering basically no details at all toward the event.

    Who, what, where, when, why and how.
    The basic questions of journalism and reporting...

    - Janq
    That's very true... It does not actually specify if the guy charged with murder was actually a resident of the property that the the two broke into. It is/was an assumption I should not make either.

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    Just found a slightly more updated version...

    Police News - Murder Charge After Stabbing Burglar

    A council official's son who stabbed a burglar was charged with murder yesterday.

    Omari Roberts, 23, appeared in court accused of killing Tyler Juett, 17, and wounding a 14-year-old accomplice.

    Roberts received massive public support on websites after he tackled the teenagers at his mother's home.

    The Crown Prosecution Service said it decided to charge him because it believed he used "excessive and gratuitous force".

    Juett was fatally injured as he tried to burgle the home of Jacqueline McKenzie-Johnson and her family.

    His accomplice was also stabbed during a struggle at the semi-detached house in Old Basford, Nottingham.

    Roberts listened intently as Nottingham magistrates heard how he first discovered the 14-year-old inside his mother's house.

    He chased him down the street before returning to the property to find himself confronted by Juett.

    The teenager suffered a five-inch wound that passed through his chest cavity and cut vital arteries during the ensuing scuffle.

    Raj Chand, defending, said: "This must have been a dreadful situation for any law-abiding member of the public.

    "Someone said to me he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I said he was in the right place at the right time.

    "An Englishman's home is his castle. He regrets what happened, but was defending his property. "

    Roberts, who did not enter any pleas, is due to appear at Nottingham Crown Court on November 10.

    Bail was refused after objections by the prosecution.

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    TB,

    My own first thought was that this might be another case of Joe Horn (TX) aka Captain Save-N-Stop.

    Neighbor or some other unassociated third party witnesses a _property_ crime as being committed in the immediate.
    Dude being one of the types who gets angry first and thinks later goes in with a bayonet/pitchfork/decorative sword/whatever and attempts to 'stop' and reform the BGs as via his own sense of so called duty and morality, only to wind up being faced with a two on one situation where the BGs tell him to go pound sand.
    The rest and result is street justice, which is unlawful both in the UK as well as much of the US as well.

    Heck even Joe Horn as in Texas among Texans was an item of controversy.
    I'd like to learn more details if not _facts_ about this incident before taking a position one way or another.

    We all should know to do so as per events we've discussed here at this forum prior occurring here n the US, including that of Joe Horn.

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    As per your update TB (which appeared after I hit submit on my own secondary post), I'm now firmly in the camp of good job and should be found NOT GUILTY.

    A human being died as result of his action though, right as it may have been, so yeah he's been charged. Not exactly surprising as same occurs and would occur in much of the US too by state laws.
    If this had happened in MA for example he would be charged with "murder"as well simply because statute does not have on the books an allowance nor recognition of 'justifiable homicide'.
    By statute definition if there is loss of life of a human as by a human it is deemed and defined to be 'murder'.

    I don't know UK law but possibly they have something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    TB,


    I'd like to learn more details if not _facts_ about this incident before taking a position one way or another.

    .

    - Janq
    Not sure how much will come out now before it goes to trial (could be 18 months in this country)
    You might want to read this from the Daily Mail (the mail is a right leaning daily paper)

    Man who 'stabbed to death burglar he found ransacking mother's house' is charged with murder | Mail Online

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    By statute definition if there is loss of life of a human as by a human it is deemed and defined to be 'murder'.

    I don't know UK law but possibly they have something similar.

    - Janq
    Murder has to be proved to premeditated, a lessor charge is manslaughter (see below)
    Manslaughter in English law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Still gonna do time for manslaughter (I think)
    This will be BIG very BIG when it goes to trial... The Brits are getting really fed-up with 12 years of socialist rule (dumocrats).
    Defending yourself has come up in the news more than once and this disgraceful government have done very little about it.... Watch this space!! I will keep you well and truly posted

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    I really hope that the citizenry rise up and rid them self of the scourge that their governance has become, as upon them.

    We used to think of them as being THE folk with back bone and a stiff upper lip.
    That was some time ago though. Now, very much not so much.

    - Janq
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