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    Feds: Leader of radical Islam group killed in raid

    By ED WHITE, Associated Press Writer

    Wednesday, October 28, 2009



    (10-28) 17:18 PDT DETROIT (AP) --

    A man described as a leader of a radical Sunni Islam group in the U.S. was fatally shot Wednesday afternoon while resisting arrest and exchanging gunfire with federal agents, authorities said.
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    Agents at a warehouse in Dearborn were trying to arrest Luqman Ameen Abdullah, 53, on charges that included conspiracy to sell stolen goods and illegal possession and sale of firearms. Ten followers listed in a criminal complaint were also being rounded up in the area.

    Abdullah refused to surrender, fired a weapon and was killed by gunfire from agents, FBI spokeswoman Sandra Berchtold said.

    In a court filing, the FBI said Abdullah, also known as Christopher Thomas, was an imam, or prayer leader, of a radical group named Ummah whose primary mission is to establish an Islamic state within the United States.

    No one was charged with terrorism. But Abdullah was "advocating and encouraging his followers to commit violent acts against the United States," FBI agent Gary Leone said in an affidavit.

    "He regularly preaches anti-government and anti-law enforcement rhetoric," Leone said. "Abdullah and his followers have trained regularly in the use of firearms, and continue to train in martial arts and sword fighting."

    Leone said members of the national group mostly are black and some converted to Islam while in prisons across the United States.

    "Abdullah preaches that every Muslim should have a weapon, and should not be scared to use their weapon when needed," Leone wrote.

    It was not immediately clear how many of the other 10 suspects were in custody.

    The group believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said. Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison.

    "They're not taking their cues from overseas," said Jimmy Jones, a professor of world religions at Manhattanville College and a longtime Muslim prison chaplain. "This group is very much American born and bred."

    The movement at one time was believed to include a couple of dozen mosques around the country. Ummah is now dwarfed in numbers and influence by other African-American Muslim groups, particularly the mainstream Sunnis who were led by Imam W.D. Mohammed, who recently died.

    By evening, authorities still were working the scene near the Detroit-Dearborn border and the warehouse was surrounded by police tape.

    The U.S. attorney's office said an FBI dog was also killed during the shootout.

    Abdullah's mosque is in a brick duplex on a quiet, residential street in Detroit. A sign on the door in English and Arabic reads, in part, "There is no God but Allah."

    Several men congregated on the porch Wednesday night and subsequently attacked a photographer from The Detroit News who was taking pictures from across the street. Ricardo Thomas had his camera equipment smashed and had a bloody lip from the attack.

    Imad Hamad, regional director of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee in Dearborn, said the FBI had briefed him about Wednesday's raids and told him they were the result of a two-year investigation.

    "We know that this is not something to be projected as something against Muslims," Hamad said.

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    Associated Press writers David Runk, Corey Williams, David N. Goodman and Rachel Zoll contributed to this story.

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    The group believes that a separate Islamic state in the U.S. would be controlled by Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin, formerly known as H. Rap Brown, who is serving a life sentence in a federal prison in Colorado for shooting two police officers in Georgia in 2000, Leone said. Al-Amin, a veteran of the black power movement, started the group after he converted to Islam in prison.
    I thought Dearborn Michigan IS an Islamic state inside the U.S.
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    Here is the criminal complaint all 43 pages of it:
    Criminal Complaint

    Not too comforting to know it's only across town from where I live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    I thought Dearborn Michigan IS an Islamic state inside the U.S.
    Pretty close, I grew up there, I lived and worked there...it's a different place now.
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    There is a constant threat of terrorism in this country, has been for a long time from groups both foreign and domestic. Thankfully it looks like the FBI has been rather busy lately.
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    Excellent result. I hope the other 10 pull their weapons and are similarly dispatched.
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    Poor dog...
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    This is the real scary part of any radical organization but especially Islam. They are dedicated to use any means to reach their objective, including firearms. They use the very freedom to posses firearms we have in order to take over and destroy that freedom. Islam as it's proclaimed is a "peaceful" religion, but it will only be peaceful until it's in total control. Much like the Commusist philosophy years ago that "peace" will be achieved when Communism is dominating all the world.

    It's really good these "swine" were stopped before they could do any damage.
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    Too bad they killed him before Obama had a chance to reach out to him.
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    Hope they practiced real good with their swords. Not much help in a gun fight though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoGunn View Post
    This is the real scary part of any radical organization but especially Islam. They are dedicated to use any means to reach their objective, including firearms. They use the very freedom to posses firearms we have in order to take over and destroy that freedom. Islam as it's proclaimed is a "peaceful" religion, but it will only be peaceful until it's in total control. Much like the Commusist philosophy years ago that "peace" will be achieved when Communism is dominating all the world.

    It's really good these "swine" were stopped before they could do any damage.

    Jojo, with respect, just because someone is muslim, doesn't make them a fundamentalist terrorist, like a member of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. I have looked into the faces of captured terrorists in Iraq, and they are fanatical and psychotic. But at the same time I knew Iraqis who got killed trying to make their country a better place. As with any sort of belief system, the vast majority are law abiding peaceable people, its those on the fringes who become fanatical and are the problem, usually because they are more vocal. But to say the whole religion is trying to conquer the world, is in my opinion, not true. A lot of the Muslims I met overseas just want to be left alone in a peaceful area and llive their lives with their families, same as anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buckeyeLCPL View Post
    Jojo, with respect, just because someone is muslim, doesn't make them a fundamentalist terrorist, like a member of Al Qaeda or the Taliban. I have looked into the faces of captured terrorists in Iraq, and they are fanatical and psychotic. But at the same time I knew Iraqis who got killed trying to make their country a better place. As with any sort of belief system, the vast majority are law abiding peaceable people, its those on the fringes who become fanatical and are the problem, usually because they are more vocal. But to say the whole religion is trying to conquer the world, is in my opinion, not true. A lot of the Muslims I met overseas just want to be left alone in a peaceful area and llive their lives with their families, same as anyone else.
    +1 A very good friend of mine was born in Iraq and let me tell you, I'll go out in the woods with him and a gun any chance I get. He is a soft spoken gentle guy, but the racks on the wall, tell the story of what a great shot he is.
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    A lot of the Muslims I met overseas just want to be left alone in a peaceful area and llive their lives with their families, same as anyone else.
    I've found that true of most people, the world over.

    After we, the United States, went into Iraq, the second time, I was sitting in a Smoking Lounge at the airport in Hong Kong. I ended up having a very illuminating and enlightening discussion with a gentleman from Pakistan regarding the fall of the Soviet Union under communist rule. To say it has changed my world outlook would be an understatement.

    Most people, IME, just want to be left alone to live their lives and make things better for their offspring.

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    I worked with this Palestinian guy back in Michigan. He always stated that it is the Muslim fringe that causes all this violence. But the trouble with being a "fringe" is that there are over 1 billion Muslims, if 10% would like to actively seek the destruction of the west, that is a 100 million people that are in this fringe. You may need to add another 100 million that agree with the fringe but do not actively cause the violence.
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    Another name for "fringe" is "fundamentalist"!

    Even still, I fear my own government more than terrorist.
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