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    5.7 Round Used by Shooter at Fort Hood

    I had never heard of the round before. It's slightly larger than the .22 Hornet and seems to be pretty deadly. Apparently they go right through Kevlar.

    I think FH Herstal makes a pistol that shoots it. Anybody know this round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mojust View Post
    I had never heard of the round before. It's slightly larger than the .22 Hornet and seems to be pretty deadly. Apparently they go right through Kevlar.

    I think FH Herstal makes a pistol that shoots it. Anybody know this round?
    Here is a look at the pistol. FN Five-seveN® Series

    And a look at the ammo. 5.7x28mm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    When I was at Quantico they were in the process of switching to contracted gate guards and security. However whenever there were large numbers of us i.e. a training company or two, the CO had at least two 'Guardian Angel's' patrolling with condition 3 M-4s. Made me feel pretty safe.

    The FN 5.7 makes sense with the amount injured, probably a couple cases of one round hitting multiple people.

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    Talk about ironic:

    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.


    The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.
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    It's slightly larger than the .22 Hornet and seems to be pretty deadly.

    It is considerably smaller than the .22 Hornet.

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    Officer who stopped Fort Hood rampage is Carolina Beach native

    Kimberly Munley, officer who stopped Fort Hood rampage, is Carolina Beach native | StarNewsOnline.com | Star News | Wilmington, NC




    Officer who stopped Fort Hood rampage is Carolina Beach native

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    Published: Friday, November 6, 2009 at 11:21 a.m.
    Last Modified: Friday, November 6, 2009 at 7:24 p.m.
    Those who know Kimberly Barbour Munley said they aren’t surprised the Carolina Beach native is the female civilian police officer credited for stopping the deadly shooting at Fort Hood, where 13 people were killed and several others injured.

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    Kimberly Munley shown in a photo from her Twitter page. Munley herself was injured, but she managed to shoot the gunman four times within three minutes of reported gunfire Thursday afternoon, Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said Friday morning.

    “She was not afraid of anything,” said Wrightsville Beach Police Chief John Carey, who knew Munley when she worked for the department from 2000 to 2002.

    “She is very small, but she had no fear,” he said.

    Cone lauded Munley for encountering suspected gunman Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who is hospitalized on a ventilator. “In an exchange of gunfire, she was wounded but managed to wound him four times,” Cone said. “It was an amazing and aggressive performance by this police officer.”

    Munley arrived at the scene of Thursday’s shooting about seven minutes after it began, the head of Fort Hood’s emergency service said Friday.

    Munley was outside the Soldier Readiness Center building when the shooter, who officials say is Hasan, emerged from the building gun in hand, said Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at Fort Hood.

    Hasan ran toward Munley, firing at her, Medley said. Munley returned fire with her pistol, hitting him.

    Munley was shot in both legs and one wrist but is expected to make a full recovery, Medley said. He did not know how many times she was shot.

    Hasan is reportedly in stable condition at an undisclosed hospital.

    Medley said he visited Munley in the hospital early Friday and she was in good spirits.

    “She’s got some surgeries (ahead) but she’s stable,” he said. “She’s the most upbeat injured person I’ve met.”

    He said the military is flying her husband, who is stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., to see her soon.

    Munley is a civilian police officer with the Department of the Army and serves as a SWAT team member and firearms instructor for the department, Medley said. He said she joined the police force in January 2008 after serving in the Army.

    Munley, 34, is the daughter of former Carolina Beach mayor Dennis Barbour. She grew up in Carolina Beach and graduated in 1993 from Hoggard High School.

    Her father and stepmother, Wanda Barbour, were busy Friday afternoon trying to get a flight to Fort Hood so they could visit Munley in the hospital, where she remained in stable condition. They were also fielding calls from local and national media, including CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Inside Edition, according to workers at Island Tackle and Hardware in Carolina Beach, which is owned by the Barbours.

    “We’re just so grateful and thankful to the Lord that she’s safe,” Wanda Barbour said. “Our hearts just ache for the loss of others, too, and hers, too. She’s still upset about that.”

    Barbour said she and her husband found out Thursday afternoon Munley was involved in the attack, but they didn’t find out until later she was the one the top commander at Fort Hood credited with stopping the shooting.

    Like others, Barbour wasn’t surprised it was Munley who helped stop the shooter. “When they said a female officer, a little part of me just knew,” she said.

    “She is a very great person with a great spirit,” she said.

    Ron Strickland, a retired teacher from Hoggard High School, coached Munley’s volleyball team and remembered her as a fearless athlete who was interested in law enforcement.

    “This doesn’t surprise me at all,” Strickland said of Munley’s heroism. “She was always very matter of fact.”

    Munley graduated in 1999 from Cape Fear Community College’s Basic Law Enforcement program, said David Hardin, public information officer for the college.

    Carey said the Wrightsville Beach Police Department was Munley’s first law enforcement job. She was first employed March 1, 2000 as a reserve officer and later worked as a beach patrol officer and as an officer in the Uniform Patrol Division. She left the department in February 2002.

    Munley received three letters of commendation and recognition for her performance as a Wrightsville Beach police officer.

    Investigator Shaun Appler, Munley’s former partner at the Wrightsville Beach Police Department, described her as a “ball of fire” who always showed courage.

    On one occasion, Appler got into a fight with a belligerent man he was attempting to arrest, and ended up rolling down a hill with the attacker. He said Munley came to his rescue, charging down the hill and jumping on the attacker’s back. The two officers then secured and arrested the man.

    When the fight was over, Appler learned his gun had almost been pried off his belt by the suspect. He credits Munley with saving his life.

    “From then on I called her Mighty Mouse,” said Appler. “She’s a little dynamo.”

    When he heard the news Thursday night that a female police officer had taken down the Fort Hood shooter, he wondered if it had been Munley.

    “I was shocked to learn it was Kim, but not surprised,” he said. “This sounds sappy and stupid, but she’s a fine example of law enforcement officers in America. She did an awesome job and we’re proud of her.”

    A news release from the Wrightsville Beach Police Department offered condolences to the families of the soldiers killed and wounded in the shooting, and praised Munley.

    On Friday afternoon, many people sent messages to Munley’s Twitter account, expressing gratitude and wishes for a speedy recovery.

    Country singer Dierks Bentley, who appears with Munley in a photo on Munley’s Twitter page, posted the following message Friday on his own Twitter page: “was able to speak to sgt munley & pass along my prayers for a speedy recovering. she’s tough! and couldn’t be more nice or humble.real hero.” Bentley said he had performed July 4 at Fort Hood.

    In the biography section of Munley’s Twitter account, she summed up her life with the following message: “I live a good life … a hard one, but I go to sleep peacefully @ night knowing that I may have made a difference in someone’s life.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PM View Post
    Remind me why we can trust them with the weapon overseas but not here?
    That question ranks with 18 year olds who can arm nuclear weapons on aircraft, but can't buy a beer or carry a .22 pistol.... is there something out of line here???
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    Soldiers can carry weapons CONUS or overseas under the supervision of officers and NCOs.

    Relate that to children who can't own firearms, but can be permitted to use them under the supervision of adults.

    Not saying it's right, but it's an explanation.
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    She's a hero.

    She reminds me of a woman I worked with and wanted to become an LEO, and after many battles convinced them to exempt the height requirements of 5'6" , she is 5'2".

    One of her first 'official' rides, her partner got in over his head ... examining an open door on a business at night and assuming they had been there and gone, when suddenly 5 BG's started shooting. She "ripped" the shotgun out of the car and shot/killed 2, wounded a 3rd and the other 2 ran off. Afterwards, they realized... she literally "ripped" the locked shotgun right out of the device holding / locking it in the car. Her nickname ironically, also became Mighty Mouse. The other officer stated, he was caught "cold" and unprotected ... and felt they would have shot and killed him easily if she had not done what she did and quickly fired back , hitting them, etc. So, within her first 3 rides, she earned a citation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    3 minute response is 2.98 minutes too long. It is impossible to stop an immediate threat without an immediate response.
    And it's impossible to execute an immediate response without being armed and on-scene at the instant. THAT means, being armed. Everyone, everywhere, at all times. There is simply no other way about it.

    I'm agreed with Janq, and would add that, until gun free zones are eliminated, we will continue to have these shooting sprees across the country.

    gun free zone=mass murder zone
    Exactly.

    Though, I think we'll still have mass-attempts at murder even if all such places are eliminated. The difference will be in the life expectancy of such cowards that attempt such crimes: they'll be highly likely to get instantly terminated and eliminated from our midst. Hallelujah.

    Washington, DC, and State legislative dummies: are you listening, yet? How many more murders must be suffered through at the hands of psychopaths, while you fiddle as we're burning? Every single mass-murder situation SITS ON YOUR HEADS, for disallowing full armament of citizens in all places, which is the only thing that has a prayer of guarding against such crimes. Get the HELL out of the way and work together to help make it absolutely legal and justified for ALL citizens to be armed at all times they see fit; help put "Castle" law into place that presumes innocence on the part of self-defense actors unless proven that their actions cannot possibly have been self-defense; help put financial/legal protections into place that shield self-defense actors unless they are convicted of criminal culpability in the attacks against them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Talk about ironic:

    Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan played a homeland security advisory role in President Barack Obama's transition into the White House, according to a key university policy institute document.


    The Homeland Security Policy Institute at George Washington University published a document May 19, entitled "Thinking Anew – Security Priorities for the Next Administration: Proceedings Report of the HSPI Presidential Transition Task Force, April 2008 – January 2009," in which Hasan of the Uniformed Services University School of Medicine is listed on page 29 of the document as a Task Force Event Participant.
    Not necessarily.

    However, Hasan is being reported as a participant in the GWU Homeland Security Policy Institute's Presidential Transition Task Force, not as a member, noting the group was a university think-tank, not part of the Obama administration official transition team.

    Further, the institute's deputy director is quoted saying he is unable to say if Hasan made any input to the group's final recommendations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    And it's impossible to execute an immediate response without being armed and on-scene at the instant. THAT means, being armed. Everyone, everywhere, at all times. There is simply no other way about it

    Though, I think we'll still have mass-attempts at murder even if all such places are eliminated. The difference will be in the life expectancy of such cowards that attempt such crimes: they'll be highly likely to get instantly terminated and eliminated from our midst. Hallelujah.

    Washington, DC, and State legislative dummies: are you listening, yet? How many more murders must be suffered through at the hands of psychopaths, while you fiddle as we're burning? Every single mass-murder situation SITS ON YOUR HEADS, for disallowing full armament of citizens in all places, which is the only thing that has a prayer of guarding against such crimes. Get the HELL out of the way and work together to help make it absolutely legal and justified for ALL citizens to be armed at all times they see fit; help put "Castle" law into place that presumes innocence on the part of self-defense actors unless proven that their actions cannot possibly have been self-defense; help put financial/legal protections into place that shield self-defense actors unless they are convicted of criminal culpability in the attacks against them.
    Probably not. They will try to take more steps to keep firearms off of military bases in the future if I had to guess. New regulations will be in the works, and members of the military will be subjected to hour long waits to enter bases from the vehicle searches that will be implemented.
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    Quote Originally Posted by farronwolf View Post
    Probably not. They will try to take more steps to keep firearms off of military bases in the future if I had to guess.
    Yeah. I just figured I would grouse out loud. What else is new, eh?

    My guess is that they'll take the Brady pap, swallowed whole. Sad, but almost certainly true.
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    The Five-seveN piece certainly helps explain the number of casualties. I remember reading all the hullabaloo when the gun/round first came out. Now watch. Some bright child will mount a campaign against the inanimate objects while defending the perp.

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