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    Quote Originally Posted by carry ok View Post
    is about, indicating that Hasan believed that MUSLIM persons should resist America's campaigns in Iraq, and Afghanistan, also evidence that he had been attempting for a good while to avoid being deployed. So, if true, he was all for the U.S. picking up the 'tab' for his education for a Doctoral degree, but he had a problem with keeping his end of the bargain. Oh, Yeah, ' Hasan, burn in Muslim HELL. ' If that is too strong, then, 'I hope your 35 virgins are all toothless hags, with arthritis.'
    The interview with Col. Lee indicated that Hasan made anti-American remarks, said muslims should stand up against America and was getting into arguments and fights with other soldiers about his behavior..

    I wonder if that's why he was removed from Walter Reed and sent to Ft. Hood in preparation to deploy.
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    2 handguns - maybe Berettas with 15+ round mags. 43 hits.

    Im thinking he would AT LEAST have needed to reload each gun once and empty all 4 mags AND been a pretty good shot to pull that off.

    Anyone have any idea of what type of handguns were involved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiller2 View Post
    I find two things very interesting about this incident first how wrong the initial reports were it was worse than a game of telephone. Second how sad it is that the military disarms their trained fighting men and make prey out of what is supposed to be predators.
    What is really a shame is that I am sure the military will take the wrong lesson away from this incident and try to get more restrictive rather than less.
    Yep. If the military would allow to carry legal weapons on base, there would've been a good chance that in this incident only two people would have been killed and not 12; the first victim and the shooter.

    A very unfortunate and tragic moment for our military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    The interview with Col. Lee indicated that Hasan made anti-American remarks, said muslims should stand up against America and was getting into arguments and fights with other soldiers about his behavior..

    I wonder if that's why he was removed from Walter Reed and sent to Ft. Hood in preparation to deploy.
    IF that was true and it was documented and reported... somebody is gonna have some explaining to do as to why this guy was still serving in OUR armed forces. The guy says remarks like that and all that happens to him is he is moved from one base to another? Somebody dropped the ball BIG TIME if that is the case!!!

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    his facebook page had rhetoric and links/ties to some pretty harsh islamic organizations hating America and saying some things in line with terrorists.....his facebook page has since been removed....

    hmmm........imagine that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiller2 View Post
    I find two things very interesting about this incident first how wrong the initial reports were it was worse than a game of telephone. Second how sad it is that the military disarms their trained fighting men and make prey out of what is supposed to be predators.
    What is really a shame is that I am sure the military will take the wrong lesson away from this incident and try to get more restrictive rather than less.
    To hijack the thread a little...I was deployed to a hurricane relief effort. Part of the mission was to stop possible looting..they issued us M16A1 with mags...no ammo.

    Needless to say we encountered some inebriated out of town clean up crews who wanted to fight...

    There is no such thing as a safe gun free zone!
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    i think we should fight to get the right to carry on post .......i know it will never happen but with this i think we could put up a good fight . maybe???

    just a thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by AWDeanSr View Post
    To hijack the thread a little...I was deployed to a hurricane relief effort. Part of the mission was to stop possible looting..they issued us M16A1 with mags...no ammo.

    Needless to say we encountered some inebriated out of town clean up crews who wanted to fight...

    There is no such thing as a safe gun free zone!
    Seems nothing was learned from Beirut or else the people who learned it are not in the Military anymore

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    Typical cowardice: a surprise attack on victims who were probably unarmed.
    Cowardice? Funny how it is cowardice when we don't like the outcome, but it is considered to be tactically smart when it is for our benefit.

    To accomplish or be more likely to accomplish his apparent goal of killing as many as possible, why would he want to attack armed people? That would be a poor decision and what we would call a stupid move regarding poor target/prey selection. Had the guy ambushed well armed targets and died, we would likely still call him a coward for ambushing instead of phoning ahead to make his intentions known, plus we would be saying he was a moron because of poor victim selection. Any way you look at it, we aren't going to say anything nice about the shooter.

    Yeah, he was a Muslim and we are in a conflict with Muslims, but that doesn't mean he was shooting because of the Muslim issue. After all, he was an American who had also suffered at the hands of Muslims.
    Given that scant information so far, I am not sure that this isn't simply another workplace shooting by an unhappy employee.
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    I may be in the minority on this but I don't believe someone who plans and act alone is carrying out a "terrorist" attack even if the motive is sympathetic to a terrorist cause.To me terrorism implies planning and coordinating among a group or organization.To me that's like saying anyone who commits a crime is a member of the mafia or a gang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    Cowardice? Funny how it is cowardice when we don't like the outcome, but it is considered to be tactically smart when it is for our benefit.

    To accomplish or be more likely to accomplish his apparent goal of killing as many as possible, why would he want to attack armed people? That would be a poor decision and what we would call a stupid move regarding poor target/prey selection. Had the guy ambushed well armed targets and died, we would likely still call him a coward for ambushing instead of phoning ahead to make his intentions known, plus we would be saying he was a moron because of poor victim selection. Any way you look at it, we aren't going to say anything nice about the shooter.

    Yeah, he was a Muslim and we are in a conflict with Muslims, but that doesn't mean he was shooting because of the Muslim issue. After all, he was an American who had also suffered at the hands of Muslims.
    Given that scant information so far, I am not sure that this isn't simply another workplace shooting by an unhappy employee.
    Are you serious? And how do you know HE suffered at the hands of Muslims?

    It is an act of cowardice to attack unarmed people no matter how you want to look at it. If you think this has no bearing on his being Muslim your head is in the sand way to far.
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    Sad report is.....

    that Hasan is still alive. What a travesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    Cowardice? Funny how it is cowardice when we don't like the outcome, but it is considered to be tactically smart when it is for our benefit.
    No, it's not funny to me when someone murders multitudes of innocent people who were probably unarmed. You think it's funny? A lot of folks would love to have this discussion with you in person.

    I don't think it was funny when the coward killed all those at VT either. Do you?

    His fellow soldiers didn't realize they were at war with him. How would you feel if one of your loved ones had been gunned down by one of their coworkers, with whom they supposedly shared a strong bond and purpose?

    I still say he was a coward. To murder many in wartime is different than what this coward did.

    So maybe he thinks he WAS at war with them. If that's the case, then maybe we need to rethink our viewpoint toward muslim males. Otherwise, what's your point?

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    To accomplish or be more likely to accomplish his apparent goal of killing as many as possible, why would he want to attack armed people? That would be a poor decision and what we would call a stupid move regarding poor target/prey selection. Had the guy ambushed well armed targets and died, we would likely still call him a coward for ambushing instead of phoning ahead to make his intentions known, plus we would be saying he was a moron because of poor victim selection. Any way you look at it, we aren't going to say anything nice about the shooter.
    Wrong. If he had ambushed well-armed targets, I would have some admiration for his fighting abilities and courage, even if I didn't agree with his actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    Yeah, he was a Muslim and we are in a conflict with Muslims, but that doesn't mean he was shooting because of the Muslim issue.
    Show me where I said he was shooting because of a muslim issue. Oh never mind, because you can't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy View Post
    After all, he was an American who had also suffered at the hands of Muslims.
    How so?

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    Given that scant information so far, I am not sure that this isn't simply another workplace shooting by an unhappy employee.
    Given what info I've seen, it indicates to me he's another American-hating muslim.

    My opinion of him being a coward still stands. You haven't given one iota of evidence that he isn't. For someone to gun down unarmed people indicates to me he is a coward, just like Cho was, just like Timothy McVeigh was.

    I didn't choose my words because this guy was a muslim: I chose them because of his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carry ok View Post
    that Hasan is still alive. What a travesty.
    so is the female civilian officer that shot him to end the attack
    she just got out of surgery and is stable

    to her!!!!!!!!!!
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    He is still alive

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