No guns, more hugs - The ignorant professor

No guns, more hugs - The ignorant professor

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    No guns, more hugs - The ignorant professor

    idsnews.com | Indiana Daily Student |
    "No guns, more hugs
    By Josh Kraus | IDS

    POSTED AT 09:49 PM ON Nov. 15, 2009 | PRINT | Email | SHARE | COMMENTS (10)



    Throughout history, the people of this country have advocated their share of forward-thinking philosophies and moronic ideologies. For example, slavery was officially abolished in 1865, the same year the Ku Klux Klan was formed by veterans of the Confederate Army.

    Unfortunately, the recent Fort Hood shooting has provoked one of the nation’s more preposterously asinine causes to resurface: guns on college campuses.

    Presently, the state of Indiana does not explicitly prohibit carrying guns on campus, and groups like Students for Concealed Carry on Campus believe the privileges provided in state-issued concealed-handgun licenses should extend to college campuses nationwide.

    This is another instance of fear displacing rationality, where a quick-fix idea attempts to preemptively solve a problem by narrow-mindedly focusing on only one infrequent scenario. In this scenario, a psychopathic campus shooter is heroically gunned down by an armed student before too much damage can be inflicted.

    While the dangers of campus shootings are certainly very real, I believe the proponents of these gun laws have willingly blinded themselves to the much more relevant dangers these newfound freedoms might cultivate.

    It must be understood that a college campus is a special habitat. Hormones rampage, academic demands loom and substances beckon. The life of an average college student is saturated with flash life lessons, and our judgment is preyed upon by the ravenous forces of youthful provocation. So, as much as I appreciate the freedoms these pro-gun groups graciously want to provide for me, I really don’t want a 20-something binge drinker in Uggs carrying a loaded weapon to my astronomy class.
    Let’s look at some statistics. Around 1,500 college students between the ages of 18-24 die every year from alcohol-related injuries. Ten percent of college students have been diagnosed with clinical depression. One out of four women are sexually assaulted on a college campus.

    These numbers reveal the potential danger college students face; therefore, this guns-on-campus ideology is like tossing spray-paint cans into a bonfire. Sure, a good-natured student who is packing heat might successfully ward off a would-be rapist, but a coked-out student who is packing heat might go ballistic after losing a beer pong game to his ex’s new boyfriend.

    But unstable adolescents aren’t the sole reason I oppose this cause. The solution that groups like SCCC propose is akin to buying monster trucks to combat drunk driving. Instead of treating the problem at its source, like perhaps cracking down on gun rights, these groups want to encourage a militia of armed and waiting students. They want to attack the effects, not the cause.

    College campuses are one of the last remaining safe zones yet to be fully conquered by the pro-gun lobbying groups. Some may argue that gun laws should be the same everywhere, but as long as this last vestige of gun-free territory survives, we should fight for it.

    Bullets flying from one direction are bad enough; do we really need them coming from both?"

    And this, my friends, shows that a college degree or becoming an Astronomy professor does not gurantee that you will be wiser or smarter.
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    "Bullets flying from one direction are bad enough; do we really need them coming from both?"-Kraus
    Well, I might attempt to appeal to his more 'scientific' side rather than his emotional side.
    In a science experiment, one starts w/ a hypothesis. One believes he already knows or at least believes the hypothesis to be true.
    Then, one develops a test to prove the hypothesis true/false.
    Most often, the test is between a known (standard) and the unknown (variable).
    The attempt will be to show the variable responds as predicted in the hypothesis.

    In the case of disallowing guns in Colleges (or anywhere for that matter) in an effort to deter shootings against innocents, we already have the answer to that experiment. It doesnt work. The standard is that somebody is gonna shoot the place up, in an effort to harm as many as possible BEFORE DYING THEMSELVES, either thru self inflicted wounds, or death by cop.
    Our first results do not adhere to the hypothesis posed by those who instigated those statutes and laws. Lots of innocents died in every case.
    Now, the variable: lets let law abiding, concealed carriers w their own guns into the experiment. We already know what the results are w/out them, so lets try it with them.

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    Bullets going one way = "a shooting"

    Bullets going both ways = "a gunfight"

    Both suck.

    Gunfights suck less provided you are one of the active participants.

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    College campuses are one of the last remaining safe zones
    Sure worked well for Va Tech.

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    Here's what I posted in my comment to the article:

    "I've got an idea - I will use the author of this article as a human shield when the bullets start flying from one direction. That way he can get a unique perspective on why someone would want to defend themselves and others by throwing it back...."
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    The comments were more interesting than the original commentary.

    I missed where the more hugs came in. Was it before or after the 1 in 4 women were sexually assaulted?

    So 1500 die each year from alcohol versus how many from guns? Why is there alcohol on campus? Don't they have laws against it?
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    I added my own .02 cents, but needless to say, for someone who is supposed to be educated, the author is incredibly misinformed!
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    The professor states:

    "This is another instance of fear displacing rationality, where a quick-fix idea attempts to preemptively solve a problem by narrow-mindedly focusing on only one infrequent scenario. In this scenario, a psychopathic campus shooter is heroically gunned down by an armed student before too much damage can be inflicted.

    While the dangers of campus shootings are certainly very real, I believe the proponents of these gun laws have willingly blinded themselves to the much more relevant dangers these newfound freedoms might cultivate."

    This is essentially the old "blood will run in the streets" argument, dressed up to look more sophisticated. The antis do not seem to have any new arguments here -- the ball is still in their court, which is to say, what is their answer to the fact that when innocents are armed, things tend to go better for the innocent?

    The professor seems to prefer for more people to be victims. Why is that?
    Anti-gunners seem to believe that if we just pass enough laws, we can have utopia. Unfortunately, utopia is NOT one of our choices.

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    If "hugs" don't work, I guess the next best alternative is to throw books at the shooter(s), as was recommended by V. Tech administration as one possible means of self defense in a shooting scenario, then assume the very effective defensive "fetal position". Works for me.
    Asked by a CNN reporter "What do you feel when you shoot a terrorist"?, the Marine sniper simply shrugged & replied "recoil".

    Now more than ever, we are at war on our home soil ... WAKE UP & arm our troops when they are on home soil!

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    Quote Originally Posted by edr9x23super View Post
    Here's what I posted in my comment to the article:

    "I've got an idea - I will use the author of this article as a human shield when the bullets start flying from one direction. That way he can get a unique perspective on why someone would want to defend themselves and others by throwing it back...."
    Oh, I like that!

    Can I borrow it?
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    Instead of treating the problem at its source, like perhaps cracking down on gun rights, these groups want to encourage a militia of armed and waiting students. They want to attack the effects, not the cause.
    There it is folks, the guns caused it. Who are we to argue with his reasoning.

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