Bad-- Don't "play" with firearms.

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    A person died wrongfully

    "I didn't mean to" = involuntary manslaughter at a minimum

    that's why it is called "involuntary" if there is no intent and the consequences of incarceration of such crime should be implemented accordingly. With the degree of negligence and willful disreguard for safety with a deadly weapon, it could be argued as more than involuntary manslaughter. The owner of the weapon could (or arguably should) also face similar charges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    Better get on you flame resistant undies, I am wearing mine. I agree that if the details are trueand it was an accident. I am sure she is punishing herself everyday.

    I think after the facts are given, and if its a negligent homicide, she should get at least 5-10 yr. probationBUT!!! See below

    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis128 View Post
    I HOPE she is. Guns aren't toys, and a young man is dead because of her carelessness.

    MattLarson is right. She knew the gun was real, she pointed it, and pulled the trigger.

    The idiot boyfriend showed her the "trick", probably just dumb luck that she isn't the one dead instead of him. Does that make him eligible for a Darwin Award?



    What if her boyfriends roomate,{the one who "showed her the trick"} had the hots for her and decided of a crazy way to get him out of the picture??
    I'm just say'in


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    I'm confused as to what the "trick" was.

    Dropping the mag before racking the slide?

    Or dropping the mag while shooting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KralBlbec View Post
    She has already learned a harder lesson than anything in jail could. All jail would do here is ruin another life.
    What she did is analogous to driving drunk and killing someone. She willfully engaged in unlawful behavior (pointing a gun at his head and pulling the trigger), and that behavior resulted in the death of a person.

    IMHO, her "feeling bad" that she negligently and idiotically killed someone is insufficient punishment.

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    17 years old and doesn't know guns are dangerous? What closet has she been locked in? Anyone who watches TV or goes to a show knows a gun is not a toy. IMO shes lucky to be charged with involuntary manslaughter and not negligent homicide.

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    This is pretty hard one. Kids are stupid and especially ones that never grew up around guns. I think she should have a mandatory 5 year probation and and several hundred hours of community service work.

    This may stay on her record for life in which she is screwed. Her several life opportunities
    would be closed to her.
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    Can't fix stupid can ya!!

    I'm kinda suprised reading some of the soft post here,
    less than a week ago some wanted to hang old Huckabee for
    getting cop killer the light sentence.

    Why do current judges think it's okay to let serious offenders walk on bail?

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    Very sad a young life lost and another one destroyed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    I'm confused as to what the "trick" was. Dropping the mag before racking the slide? Or dropping the mag while shooting?
    I too do not understand what the "trick" was supposed to be. Can anyone elucidate?
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    Trying To Do 'Gun Trick' ... on a bed in the back room of his home ...
    That's a good way to get killed. It's not a trick. It's physics. What a waste of lives. Stupider and stupider, paraphrasing Alice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kazzaerexys View Post
    I'm sorry, but the "trick" of dropping the mag without chambering a round ounds exactly like the games of "Trust" resulting in soldiers getting killed that made the news rounds about a month or so ago. If that's the case, the end-result of the game is that you point a gun at somebody and pull the trigger.

    If that is the case, I have no sympathy. I would be very curious to find out if the dead boyfriend was military and might have picked up the game there. (Note: not a bash on military folks in general, to be sure; the "Trust" think just jumped out of that story at me, though...)
    No proof, but I think this sums up the "trick". You try to act like you chamber a round, with the mag just low enough not to chamber one. Then it becomes like Russian Roulette, but there should be no round chambered. If that is it, it is an accident looking for a place to happen. It makes it much easier to shoot someone when you have the gun pointed at their head. Conversely, it is nearly impossible to shoot someone if the gun is not pointed at them. Pretty simple really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    No proof, but I think this sums up the "trick". You try to act like you chamber a round, with the mag just low enough not to chamber one. Then it becomes like Russian Roulette, but there should be no round chambered. If that is it, it is an accident looking for a place to happen. It makes it much easier to shoot someone when you have the gun pointed at their head. Conversely, it is nearly impossible to shoot someone if the gun is not pointed at them. Pretty simple really.
    In other words, the magazine is not locked in, but you're holding it with your non shooting hand, and then racking the slide? And then dropping the magazine?

    I don't get it. Why is this a trick? What's the point?
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    I agree that this is a tragedy for two lives, one dead and one responsible for that death. I too, think that some punishment is due, but I do not think prison will make her a "better person." Perhaps community service or maybe having her speak to youth groups about how dangerous firearms can be if not handled properly?

    Another thought comes to mind. For those of us that are familiar with firearms this is a no brainer and is obviously unacceptable behavior. But, what about those who are not familiar with firearms and have never been around them. They mentally know they are dangerous, but do not really understand what that means. Especially when they see others performing a dangerous trick with no one getting hurt. It is like a someone knowing that driving under the influence is dangerous, but think it will never happen to them. Then when they go through driver's education classes and see the mutilated bodies and cars that result from driving under the influence, the reality of the act becomes clear.

    Why not have mandatory gun safety classes in school so that kids can learn the correct way to handle (or not handle) firearms? Once they are taught correct techniques and the laws of gun safety they should be much more able to make the correct decision on what to do, or not do, with a firearm.

    Not much chance of this ever happening, but, I think it is an idea worth consideration IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    In other words, the magazine is not locked in, but you're holding it with your non shooting hand, and then racking the slide? And then dropping the magazine?

    I don't get it. Why is this a trick? What's the point?
    The reason you don't get is because it is clear to you how stupid this is. Cut the top of your head off and dip half your brains out. Then it will become clear to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonInNY View Post
    In other words, the magazine is not locked in, but you're holding it with your non shooting hand, and then racking the slide? And then dropping the magazine?

    I don't get it. Why is this a trick? What's the point?
    Look up news stories on soldier fatalities involving a game called "Trust".

    The way it works is Stupid Person #1 locks back a semi-auto pistol, drops the slide, then releases the mag and points it at Stupid Person #2. If SP#1 has done the "trick" right, no round chambered when the slide fell. SP#1 says to SP#2, "Do you trust me?" Assuming SP#2 says, "Yes," SP#1 pulls the trigger. End result should be click, no bang. Obviously, this does not always work out so well.

    (Of course, the "game" is based on testosterone poisoning, where there are large disincentives for SP#2 to give the correct answer, which is, "Get that bleeping gun out of my bleeping face!")

    That is what makes it a "game" in the same sense the Russian Roulette is a game.
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