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Bad-- Don't "play" with firearms.

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    Bad-- Don't "play" with firearms.

    Maybe a good reason for hunter/gun safety to be brought back into school. This is just terrible.


    Deputies: Teen Accidentally Kills Boyfriend

    Aleisha Wheeler Says She Was Trying To Do 'Gun Trick'

    POSTED: 6:30 am EST December 3, 2009
    UPDATED: 5:48 am EST December 4, 2009


    GREENWOOD, S.C. -- A Greenwood teen charged in her boyfriend's shooting death after a gun trick went wrong was granted release into her mother's custody on Thursday afternoon.

    Aleisha Wheeler, 17, faces a charge of involuntary manslaughter and possession of a pistol by a person under 18.

    Wheeler was trying to do a trick that her boyfriend's roommate had shown her where the magazine of the pistol is dropped out of the gun and no bullet goes into the chamber, investigators said. Instead, a bullet did go into the chamber and the 9mm semi-automatic handgun fired a single round, hitting her boyfriend, 21-year-old Matthew Wayne Fultz, in the head.

    Fultz was found lying face down on a bed in the back room of his home located on Barkwood Lane, according to Capt. Ray Watson of the Greenwood County Sheriff’s Office.

    Wheeler appeared at a bond hearing that started at about 1:15 p.m. on Thursday. She was brought to the courthouse wearing handcuffs and an orange prison jump suit. Several members of her family were sitting in the front row of the courtroom to watch the hearing.
    Judge C. Ryan Johnson presided. The state asked for reasonable bond to be set in the case. Wheeler's attorney said that she is not a flight risk, nor a danger to the community.

    "The tragedy was born truly out of a lack of understanding of just how dangerous these guns and weapons are on her part and we don't believe there is a pattern of conduct that should cause this court concern," said lawyer W. Townes Jones IV.

    The judge asked Wheeler when she dropped out of school, and she told him about a month ago. Her attorney said she had been a senior at Greenwood High.

    Wheeler appeared emotional when her attorney explained that this was all a "tragic accident."

    The judge granted Wheeler be released into her mother's custody on a $30,000 personal recognizance bond.

    She will be required to live at her mother's house until her next court appearance and was put on a dusk-to-dawn curfew.

    “It’s a tragic incident with an individual who was not familiar with the dangers or the proper handling of a firearm," Watson said. "People that are familiar with guns and have knowledge about guns know that you just do not play with guns," he added.

    Wheeler faces up to 10 years in prison for the involuntary manslaughter and weapon possession charge. Her next court appearance is in February.


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    This is really terrible. I believe she should be punished but i'll also say that i think the fact that she didn't know what she was doing should play a role. I may get flamed for saying this but I hope she doesn't go to jail. I dont believe this girl to be a bad person and i believe prison will make her a bad person. I've rarely seen an instance where prison helped someone get better

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    Quote Originally Posted by fox2102 View Post
    I may get flamed for saying this but I hope she doesn't go to jail. I dont believe this girl to be a bad person and i believe prison will make her a bad person.
    Better get on you flame resistant undies, I am wearing mine. I agree that if the details are trueand it was an accident. I am sure she is punishing herself everyday.

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    Calling this an "accident" is a misnomer, IMHO. This was criminally culpable willful negligence that lead to the death of a person.

    Jail is appropriate, IMHO. She certainly knew it was a real gun, and that is enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    Better get on you flame resistant undies, I am wearing mine. I agree that if the details are trueand it was an accident. I am sure she is punishing herself everyday.
    I HOPE she is. Guns aren't toys, and a young man is dead because of her carelessness.

    MattLarson is right. She knew the gun was real, she pointed it, and pulled the trigger.

    The idiot boyfriend showed her the "trick", probably just dumb luck that she isn't the one dead instead of him. Does that make him eligible for a Darwin Award?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    Calling this an "accident" is a misnomer, IMHO. This was criminally culpable willful negligence that lead to the death of a person.

    Jail is appropriate, IMHO. She certainly knew it was a real gun, and that is enough.

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    She has already learned a harder lesson than anything in jail could. All jail would do here is ruin another life.

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    The most dangerous gun in the world, is an unloaded gun!

    Sad sad sad!
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    Call me a cynic but I don't believe her story for a second.
    I would like to see a forensics report on this one. Him being found face down on a bed has alarm bells ringing in my head.
    Was he hit in the face or the side or the back of the head?
    If it was the back of the head, who was she demonstrating this trick to? The person that was not watching?
    What was the range of the shot? What are the odds with an entire room to negligently discharge the weapon in she just happens to hit him in the head?
    How close is she with this "friend" that taught her the "trick"?
    Who is the owner of the weapon?
    I don't buy this "accident" for a second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Call me a cynic but I don't believe her story for a second.
    I would like to see a forensics report on this one. Him being found face down on a bed has alarm bells ringing in my head.
    Was he hit in the face or the side or the back of the head?
    If it was the back of the head, who was she demonstrating this trick to? The person that was not watching?
    What was the range of the shot? What are the odds with an entire room to negligently discharge the weapon in she just happens to hit him in the head?
    How close is she with this "friend" that taught her the "trick"?
    Who is the owner of the weapon?
    I don't buy this "accident" for a second.
    Ok, your a cynic.....ha, just kidding. Smells fishy to me also!

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    I'm sorry, but the "trick" of dropping the mag without chambering a round ounds exactly like the games of "Trust" resulting in soldiers getting killed that made the news rounds about a month or so ago. If that's the case, the end-result of the game is that you point a gun at somebody and pull the trigger.

    If that is the case, I have no sympathy. I would be very curious to find out if the dead boyfriend was military and might have picked up the game there. (Note: not a bash on military folks in general, to be sure; the "Trust" think just jumped out of that story at me, though...)
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    17 year old girl with a 21 year old boy, not at my house. Beem teaching her gun tricks, huh. Wrongful death. If she had shot one of my kids trying out her gun trick I would be screaming for the death penality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    Calling this an "accident" is a misnomer, IMHO. This was criminally culpable willful negligence that lead to the death of a person.

    Jail is appropriate, IMHO. She certainly knew it was a real gun, and that is enough.

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    I couldn' t agree more.

    She already dropped out of high school as a senior, sounds like she has a real head on her shoulders...
    She didn't know that guns were dangerous?

    We're not talking about some "A" student who accidently dropped a gun and it went off and killed someone...she was involved in a dangerous activity...of her choosing...and someone died because of it. Now it's time to pay the piper. She may not need a 'lengthy' sentence, but the message to her and to others should hit home very hard. If you play stupid, you pay...stupid!
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    An example made of her...

    Prison is certainly not the most appropriate place to reform a wayward teenager, but she should be sent there nonetheless. This is a terrible tragedy that she will carry with her entire life. But what about the lives of the next of kin for the young man that was killed? Do they not deserve justice? A son/brother/cousin was killed and his family also needs justice. She may feel remorse and sorrow, but mercy cannot rob justice.

    Another function of the justice system is to serve as an example to the rest of society. The other teenagers in the country need to know that this activity WILL NOT be tolerated. If she goes free with probation, what message do we send to all the other people out there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattLarson View Post
    Calling this an "accident" is a misnomer, IMHO. This was criminally culpable willful negligence that lead to the death of a person.

    [Prison] is appropriate, IMHO. She certainly knew it was a real gun, and that is enough.
    Agreed, very much so.

    Tricks are for kids and she as well as he (!) are old enough to know better than to play with guns.
    And yes this was no "accident". What it was was idiots plural acting like morons, as with guns.

    Did she mean for this to occur? Nope.
    Did the victim think it would occur? Who the heck knows what he was thinking!

    The bottom line though is that the very much predictable and well within reasonably expected did in fact occur.
    Plain and simple this is a case of involuntary manslaughter.

    You do the crime then you do the crime.
    Even if you are stupid, ignorant and/or young, female and relatively cute.

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    Bad news guys, she has already been to jail. That's where she went with the police. If she is conivicted she will more than likely end up in prison. But I am sure she'll plead and end up with probation at best, split sentence at worse. Sorry bout being technical, criminal justice student and the jail/prison mix up is a pet peeve of mine. Anyway, back to lurking

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