No Cure for Carelessness: Hunter Kills Himself With His Own Gun!

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    No Cure for Carelessness: Hunter Kills Himself With His Own Gun!

    Hunter suffers fatal gunshot wound climbing tree stand


    AUSTERLITZ – A 59-year-old hunter from Hillsdale died over the weekend after he apparently shot himself with a 12-gauge shotgunwhile climbing into a tree stand, the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office said Monday.

    Authorities determined Randolph Seifert had been dead “for a substantial period of time” after deputies were called to a wooded area near the intersection of state Routes 71 and 22 at 3:29 p.m. Sunday.

    An investigation determined Seifert, who had been hunting on Saturday, placed his shotgun on a hook in the tree through the gun’s trigger guard as he climbed into a tree stand. However, the shotgun’s safety was not on, and it appears that the hook struck the trigger, discharging the weapon and striking Seifert in the upper body, the sheriff’s office said.

    Seifert was found on the ground at the bottom of the tree the next day by another hunter, who called 911.

    Sheriff David Harrison said it appears Seifert’s death was accidental, but that an investigation is continuing. An autopsy was expected to be conducted Monday at St. Peter’s Hospital in Albany by Dr. Jeffrey Hubbard, a pathologist.

    Assisting at the scene were county Coroner Angelo Nero, the state Department of Environmental Conservation Police, Spencertown Emergency Medical Services, the Copake Rescue Squad and Austerlitz Fire Department.
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    Sad for him and his family. Thats why I am against hanging your firearm from the trigger guard for any reason.
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    dumb dumb dumb dumb,loaded,safety disengaged,object in trigger guard
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    dumb dumb dumb dumb,loaded,safety disengaged,object in trigger guard
    Let's not forget with a chambered round and pointed upward while being hoisted into a tree by a rope!

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    Regardless of the safety being engaged/disengaged or functional/nonfunctional...The base problem here is three fold.

    1) Loaded chamber (as barrel pointed in _any_ direction is quite dangerous!)
    2) Very much improper method of stowing (hung on a hook by any measure is quite dangerous!)
    3) Another wrong thing here is that the report indicates his body was found on the ground.
    Which indicates eh attempted to climb a tree stand as without a hunter safety harness either worn and/or properly setup so as to prevent his impacting the ground.
    A human can shoot them self, even with a shotgun, and survive the wound only to fall to the ground and die from that specific impact.

    So three errors in total equals out to one stiff dunce.
    All very easily avoidable and unnecessary if only he had followed basic concepts as are taught in a modern hunter education course.

    Now his family is left to hold the bag with costs for his funeral and to figure out how to move forward in life without a husband/father/son.

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    Could'nt load it while seated in the tree??

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzleloader View Post
    Could'nt load it while seated in the tree??
    Yeah really. Seriously.
    :shakeshead:

    Can you imagine how horrific his death experience must have been...

    First he shoots himself, and you know that had to hurt bad.
    To then next fall to the ground with a huge THUUUD to cold if not frozen (latest few days temps) ground.
    Now he's laying there shot and possibly with broken bones and even a fractured skull. Hopefully he was knocked out and never came to.

    But if he did regain consciousness he then had to endure being scared, hungry, immobility and worst of it all having the earth he's lying/sitting on acting as a heat sink extracting every bit of warmth from his body that it touches as even through his clothing.
    If he's laid out wide on his back or belly it'll be even greater heat loss thanks to increased surface area.

    He goes into blood loss and injury related shock.
    Or he goes hypothermic and from that into uncontrollable shivers followed by a multi-hour death.
    Only to become semi-conscious but still aware that he's dying.

    Before actually succumbing to either blood loss or hypothermia. Which ever happens to come first.

    For no reason but because he was being lazy and stupid. :|

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzleloader View Post
    Could'nt load it while seated in the tree??
    Sadly, no, apparently.
    Usually, and your screen name is important, front loaders are more prone to this end, as I understand it. But a shot gun?
    A couple of years ago there seemed to be a rash of these deaths here, my gun/hunting friends mentioned the above, muzzle loaders load up prior to climbing into a blind, retrieving their weapon from their truck etc..

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    I bet that he did not plan to become part of hunting fields' ecological system when he woke up that morning.

    Only God knows how many times he had done that without incident, until it happened.
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    A muzzle loader isn't loaded until you put the cap on the nipple.

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    That sure was an unpleasant way to say bye-bye.
    Some folks just start out in life too dumb or too careless to hunt and eventually I guess it catches up with a body.

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    I see the headlines locally year after year for the same circumstances....long lasting, or life-threatening injuries due to careless handling of firearms. And...year after year the same routine of the warnings in publications and on television posted with your hard earned tax dollars that few will heed. This year seems to be below average for the hunting/gun mishaps and injuries from what I've seen around here. No matter how much I dislike hearing about them, they still happen.

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