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    Thumbs up "Jeweller who shot robber wants more gun rights"

    A jeweller from Port Alberni, B.C., who shot an armed robber five times is taking a public stand for stronger rights to bear arms in Canada.

    "The police can't control the crime anymore," Dennis Galloway said. "The government isn't controlling it anymore. We are relying on the politicians and the RCMP to take care of us — and we should all be responsible for our own safety and security."

    Galloway was speaking out after staying silent for months about how he opened fire one afternoon last fall on the masked robber and accomplice trying to rob his store.

    "I had my eye on them before they even opened the door," Galloway said in an interview. "And I could see gloves on their hands and sunglasses and hats. They took one, two steps in the door — and boom — out comes their gun.

    "I turned, went into my safe, got my firearm out of storage and loaded it."

    Galloway has been a target shooter for a decade. He said he keeps several legally registered guns in the vault in Dievert's Jewellers, the store he owns with his wife, Sharon. They were alone in the store when the alleged robbers arrived in the late afternoon of Oct. 22, 2008.

    Surveillance video shows that while Galloway quickly slipped into his open vault to get his weapon, one of the masked men pointed a large handgun at Sharon's head. The man was moving toward the vault area when the jeweller came out and began firing his 9-mm Beretta handgun.
    'No time to contemplate'

    "I see the guy moving towards me with a gun and starting to lift the gun up and I started to see the smashing — like he was hitting the [jewelry] case with the gun," he said. "Do I just roll over and let them do whatever they want? Possibly kill us?
    Surveillance video from Dievert's Jewellers shows a masked man pointing a gun at Sharon Galloway's face. Surveillance video from Dievert's Jewellers shows a masked man pointing a gun at Sharon Galloway's face. (CBC)

    "There was no time to contemplate on what was morally right and wrong. It happened so fast. Once I started shooting, he turned and he ran."

    Galloway said he kept firing until the magazine in his gun was empty. Surveillance video shows accused robber James Gumbleton collapsed in the store entranceway. His alleged accomplice got away. Gumbleton had been shot five times in the shoulder and torso.

    "He hit the floor," Galloway said. "I went back into the safe, reloaded my firearm. I was still kind of worried. I didn't want him to escape or turn around and shoot me."

    Photographs from the scene show bullets also went through the glass in the storefront. Galloway trained his gun on Gumbleton, while his wife called 911.

    Gumbleton was taken to hospital, where he spent several months in a coma. The 46-year old from Burnaby with a record of drug-related convictions is now paralyzed from the chest down. The RCMP are proceeding with robbery charges, now that he is well enough to attend court.
    Accused robber James Gumbleton is paralyzed from the chest down after being shot five times. Accused robber James Gumbleton is paralyzed from the chest down after being shot five times. (Courtesy Alberni Valley News)

    'Do you just lie down and let the criminals run the country?'— Dennis Galloway, jewelry store owner

    RCMP recommended Galloway be charged as well — with unsafe storage and careless use of a firearm. The Crown disagreed.

    Canadian law says guns must be registered and stored, unloaded and safely. Citizens are allowed to fire their guns in self-defence but only with as much force as necessary.

    "It's difficult that I did this to another human being," Galloway said. "I don't take any pride in it. It's an unfortunate incident for everyone."
    The Canadian Association of Self Defense presented a bravery award to Dennis Galloway in November. The Canadian Association of Self Defense presented a bravery award to Dennis Galloway in November. (CBC)

    "I wish it had never come to this. The violence is escalating. In Canada, we don't want that, but it's here. And that's scary. What do you do? Do you just lie down and let the criminals run the country?"

    Staff Sgt. Lee Oumilousik told CBC News he doesn't think Galloway should have opened fire the way he did.

    "[The accused robber] was leaving the building, and he got shot," Oumilousik said. "Is that 'as much force as is necessary?'

    "It's like a bank robbery. Give them the money. Give them what they are after. If you give them what they are after, nine times out of 10 they will take what they are after and they will leave."
    Shopkeeper honoured

    Last month, Galloway was given a bravery award by the Canadian Association for Self Defence, a group started two years ago by Quebec resident Norman Lapierre. It boasts 2,500 members, including police officers and lawyers. Its mandate is to lobby for the legal right to carry concealed, loaded handguns, as long as the owners get proper training.

    When a robbery happens, Galloway said, there usually isn't time to retrieve a gun from storage and load it, as the law now requires.

    "Canadians are defenceless. And it's the law."

    Oumilouski said this is a dangerous sentiment, which he does not support.
    RCMP Staff Sergeant Lee Oumilousik does not condone Galloway taking the law into his own hands. RCMP Staff Sergeant Lee Oumilousik does not condone Galloway taking the law into his own hands. (CBC)

    "In this case, we had several shots fired," he said. "They went through a window. Who's to say a child might not have been walking through that window? You are going to get a lot of innocent people shot if you have everybody armed."

    Port Alberni schoolteacher Ellen Chambers was across the street when Galloway fired the shots. She just as easily could have been in the line of fire.
    Bullet holes through front door

    "I am terrified," Chambers said. "We can see clearly evidence that there are bullet holes through the front door and public safety was jeopardized. Potentially, my public safety."

    Chambers said she wanted to speak out because, so far, most public sentiment in Port Alberni has supported Galloway's actions. Chambers thinks he should be charged.
    Schoolteacher Ellen Chambers was across the street when the shooting happened and believes Galloway should be facing charges. Schoolteacher Ellen Chambers was across the street when the shooting happened and believes Galloway should be facing charges. (CBC)

    "It shouldn't be decided in the court of public opinion, this whole thing," she said. "He still has a gun. My opinion is that's unsafe for him to still have that gun."
    She agrees with Galloway on one point, however: the RCMP and the justice system in Canada are ineffective.

    "Our law enforcement services are incompetent," she said.

    Galloway's sentiments about the system stem partly from a robbery at his store last spring. A man walked in, asked to see a $10,000 ring, then ran out with it. When the RCMP didn't appear interested in pursuing it, Galloway posted the surveillance video on the internet.

    "It pretty much went nowhere," Galloway said. "He just got away with it. Nothing was being done and I felt helpless."

    The man shown on the tape was eventually caught, but not until after he had committed other robberies, Galloway said. The ring was never recovered, though, and Galloway's insurance did not cover the loss. Galloway said the RCMP have also still not caught the accomplice from the latest robbery, more than a year later.

    Asked to respond to the suggestion police aren't doing enough to protect people, Oumilouski responded: "We have to do things properly — and that takes time. It's not like a CSI movie, where you see five minutes later the guy is arrested and he's doing time.

    "We have to work under the system that is in existence and the laws that are in existence. If you are not happy with the court system, protest to your politicians. Don't take the law into your own hands." (Guess the Crown felt he stayed within the law)

    Galloway and Chambers believe illegal drugs are at the root of the crime problem in their community. Before his recent arrest, accused robber Gumbleton told the Alberni Valley News he was hooked on cocaine at the time and was ordered to do the robbery by his drug dealer.

    Galloway said the RCMP should be going after the dealer.

    "I feel for other jewelers, other businesses, that there's organized drug gangs, sending people out — these drug-addicted people — with guns into stores, businesses, houses. And they are being ordered to commit this crime."

    Oumilouski said the force is working on the problem.

    "And time is on our side. Our conviction rate is going up and our crime rates are going down."

    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-col...ershooter.html

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    Surveillance video shows that while Galloway quickly slipped into his open vault to get his weapon, one of the masked men pointed a large handgun at Sharon's head. The man was moving toward the vault area when the jeweller came out and began firing his 9-mm Beretta handgun.
    He was amazingly lucky he had the time to retrieve and load his weapon.
    When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.
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    Yup. Welcome to Banada. See this is why I am considering moving to the wonderful USA. Though I am still hoping that our gun rights will improve here, I am not optimistic about that.

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    Sounds like Canada believes their citizens should be willing to die in the spirit of upholding the law. If you are the one out of ten who is murdered, then you should have your surviving family members complain to their elected officials.
    “Monsters are real and so are ghosts. They live inside of us, and sometimes they win.”
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    Wow, don't shoot..... to save your own life or anyone else's, someone "could have" ...... could have and would have, are two different things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin View Post
    "It's like a bank robbery. Give them the money. Give them what they are after. If you give them what they are after, nine times out of 10 they will take what they are after and they will leave."
    WTH man!!! So what if you are the 1 out of ten in that scenario??? How absolutely disgusting this cop and the lady sheeple from across the street are!! Talk about repugnant, disgusting, backwards, incompetent nonsense. These people make me wanna

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    I think every cop who doesn't think that citisens have the right to defend themselves need to be disarmed and told to do their jobs,hey 9 out of 10 times they won't need their gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith92555 View Post
    WTH man!!! So what if you are the 1 out of ten in that scenario??? How absolutely disgusting this cop and the lady sheeple from across the street are!! Talk about repugnant, disgusting, backwards, incompetent nonsense. These people make me wanna

    YOu beat me to the punch. I agree, what is you are the the 10th outta 10? Possibly kill you all, kill you rape the woman? Then what?

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    That story just makes me appreciate my 2nd Amendment Rights even more.

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    Pretty crappy that they wanted the jeweller brought up on charges as well. He was lucky to have enough time to get to his safe and load his gun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike78 View Post
    Pretty crappy that they wanted the jeweller brought up on charges as well. He was lucky to have enough time to get to his safe and load his gun.
    That's nothing. There are people sitting in Canadian jails right now for defending themselves with and without firearms. BTW, anyone seen this: Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill

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    Sickening story, sickening laws. Ridiculous comments from Staff Sgt. Lee Oumilousik
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    Country full of sheep is going to get eaten by wolves....
    Magazine <> clip - know the difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Country full of sheep is going to get eaten by wolves....
    Well said!
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    Quote Originally Posted by palmpalm View Post
    That's nothing. There are people sitting in Canadian jails right now for defending themselves with and without firearms. BTW, anyone seen this: Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
    That is just a shame that people are in jail for that. The link you posted is very interesting and explains alot about the mental illness in D.C. Hopefully there is treatment for these poor mentally ill folk.

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