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This is a discussion on NYC police: Officer kills Times Square scammer within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; I commend the officer for his excellent marksmanship. A shooting in Times Square is almost guaranteed to hit bystanders, and he managed not to. I'm ...

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    I commend the officer for his excellent marksmanship. A shooting in Times Square is almost guaranteed to hit bystanders, and he managed not to. I'm glad the perps MAC10 jammed. He probably didn't know how to clean it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarGunGuy View Post
    I'm here in NYC right now. I feel naked without my carry.
    What a pit this place is... New York sucks.
    Hey CarGunGuy, you should learn to like NYC. It can be a great place if you don't let it get to you. I was born and bred there, and am in the city at least every other week to see customers.

    Enjoy the sites, enjoy the theater, enjoy the hustle/bustle and holiday commotion.
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    Hey JonInNY,

    Don't forget the food...
    It is about the only thing in the city I ever go back for..

    You can verify the above from my waistline...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    Hey JonInNY,

    Don't forget the food...
    It is about the only thing in the city I ever go back for..

    You can verify the above from my waistline...LOL

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    You are so right, Bosco. The food is fantastic there! I have quite a few favorite restaurants.
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    With the predictable response from the Mayor - the best being "...we have a Virginia Tech every day... :

    1010WINS.com* - Bloomberg on Times Square Shootout: 'Too Many Guns'

    Bloomberg on Times Square Shootout: 'Too Many Guns'


    NEW YORK (1010 WINS/AP) -- The mayor railed against gun violence on Friday, one day after a street peddler died in a shootout with police outside a hotel in bustling Times Square.

    Raymond Martinez, 25, was killed by a plainclothes sergeant Thursday after trading gunfire in an area crowded with tourists and holiday shoppers.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg was asked about the shooting while appearing at a Manhattan charity event, and he used the question to discuss one of his signature issues, illegal firearms and gun violence in New York and other big cities.

    "We've got to stop this," Bloomberg said. "This is one of the great public health threats. And our police officers are clearly in danger."

    Investigators were trying to determine whether Martinez was selling illegal weapons before he was fatally wounded in the taxi area of the landmark Marriott Marquis hotel. They say the gun he fired was reported stolen in Richmond, Va., on Oct. 28.

    "We keep getting this lesson every day," said Bloomberg. "If you think of all the publicity about the terrible tragedy of Virginia Tech, we have a Virginia Tech in this country every day. It's just spread across 50 states."

    Police say Martinez was carrying several business cards linked to Virginia gun dealers near Richmond, in Hampton Roads and in Ivor. All the gun shops declined to comment.

    One card had a handwritten message on the back: "I just finished watching 'The Last Dragon.' I feel sorry for a cop if he think I'm getting into his paddy wagon," according to police. It's unclear who wrote the message, apparently referencing a 1985 martial arts movie.

    The shootout occurred in the theater district. Bullets shattered windows at the Broadway Baby souvenir store and a box office.

    Broadway Baby manager Jonathan Erlich was still reeling Friday. Police said he was lucky to be alive.

    He said he heard "Boom! Boom! Boom!" and "a quick splat of glass" before ducking behind the counter.

    "That was a bullet!" he recalled screaming.

    The slug sliced down the center of a book about the show "Wicked," struck a souvenir baseball and lodged in a shelf holding "I Love New York" T-shirts.

    "It's insane no one else got hurt," said Erlich.

    Sgt. Christopher Newsom operates a task force that monitors aggressive panhandling and was patrolling with an anti-crime unit. He recognized Martinez and his brother from past run-ins. He asked to see tax stamps, required for street peddling.

    Martinez ran; Newsom pursued.

    Martinez turned and fired a machine pistol that held 30 rounds, getting off two shots before it jammed, police said. The officer fired four times, striking Martinez in the chest and arms.

    "We're lucky the weapon jammed," said police Commissioner Raymond Kelly.

    He said the shooting preliminarily appeared to be within department guidelines, which allow for deadly force when an officer's life is threatened.

    Martinez's brother, Oliver, returned to the family's Bronx home Thursday evening after hours in custody. Another brother, Anthony, cried out that he hates police: "They shot my brother!" he said, hugging Oliver.

    Police say it's not uncommon to arrest hawkers on more serious charges. Police Capt. Edward Winski said there have been more than 400 peddler arrests this year and illegal activity has been increasing.

    Police said the Martinez brothers were cited previously for not having their stamps. They were also suspected of running a scam: asking someone's name, writing it on a CD and then demanding payment of $10.

    But their cousin, Nailean Arzu, said the slain man had been lawfully selling CDs for years.

    "Everybody loved him," she said. "It's a great loss to the family."

    Police spokesman Paul Browne said officers pay special attention to scams and panhandling during the holidays. Specialized units are set up in areas, including Times Square and Canal Street, where stolen goods, knockoffs and scams are prevalent.

    "We focus on them this time of the year, because they're preying on tourists during the Christmas holidays," Browne said.

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    "Everybody loved him," she said. "It's a great loss to the family."

    What else is new? What the heck is a scam artist doing running around with a MAC-10 in NYC for anyway? Seems like a sure fire way to end up in jail or in this case the morgue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmark340 View Post
    "Everybody loved him," she said. "It's no great loss to the city."

    Fixed ^^^

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    So where are these Massacres that happen everyday???
    Exodus 22:2 "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed"

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    Quote Originally Posted by boscobeans View Post
    Hey JonInNY,

    Don't forget the food...
    It is about the only thing in the city I ever go back for..

    You can verify the above from my waistline...LOL

    bosco
    Amen, I have heard about people licking the plate when they when done eating but never saw anybody do it until the NY luncheon. You licked that thing so clean they did not have to wash it. And drink the maranarra sauce like Pepsi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    So where are these Massacres that happen everyday???
    I think he was implying that if you combine each day's murders from all 50 states, you get about the same number of deaths as Virginia Tech. The "gun massacre" is spread out.

    Bloomberg is right about one thing- it is a public health crisis. Especially among some minority and low income areas. We argue about firearm laws instead of solving the fundamental social, educational, and cultural issues that plague people's lives...

    It defies logic that a BG who will illegally obtain a firearm, illegally carry it in NYC (3 year min jail), and illegally fire it an a police officer will somehow be stopped by some silly paperwork or the threat or jail.

    If we cut off one way of a BG getting a firearm (like the Brady bill background system), they will find another way. Private party transfer, straw buyer, steal it, smuggle it from Mexico, rent it, or even build it. Where there is a will, there is a way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HITCH KING View Post
    Amen, I have heard about people licking the plate when they when done eating but never saw anybody do it until the NY luncheon. You licked that thing so clean they did not have to wash it. And drink the maranarra sauce like Pepsi.
    Bosco wasn't the only one with a clean plate, mine looked like it just came out of a cupboard when it went back.


    It goes to show you just how well gun control has worked in NYC. Bloomturd and his cohorts want only to take the guns from the law abiding so they have no power. It all about control and power not the safety of the subjects in his empire.
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    Wow. I was just there in July. We stayed at the Marriott. There was definitely a lot of aggressive panhandlers. There were 3 of us visiting though, so we kept an eye on each other. I had one of those wallet belly bands that conceal under your shirt, I put my ATM card and drivers license in it. I put a fake wallet in my back pocket.

    They are ruthless there.

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    Times Sq. gunman held weapon like rapper - NYPOST.com

    Looks like his gun jammed due to some, uh, unorthodox handling.

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    Janq, thank you for taking the time to point me in the right direction! I sincerely appreciate the help.

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    This is a joke. Everyone knows there are no guns in NYC. I read it in their statutes.

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