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NBA players' handgun kept in locker room

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    NBA players' handgun kept in locker room

    Washington Wizards guard, Arenas, had an unloaded firearm kept in his locker. He said when his daughter was born, he wanted to get them out of the house: "I don't need these anymore," he apparently believes.

    Just a coverup? How can people be so mal-educated about this? How is the additional responsibility of protecting a family at home, especially children, an impetus to rid that home of one of the very best means of protection? I don't get it. I just don't get it.

    When there are children in the home, it's reasonable to exercise exceptional caution and care, but to decide to deny yourself any access to the firearm whatsoever...

    I think it's just a coverup story his agent came up with..."say you did it for the kids!"

    Here's the story:
    http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory?id=9421223

    Washington Wizards guard Gilbert Arenas stored unloaded firearms in a container in his locker, according to the team, and the NBA is looking into the situation.
    Washington Wizards' Gilbert Arenas, left, argues with referee Tom Washington in the second quarter of an NBA basketball game against the Phoenix Suns, Saturday, Dec. 19, 2009, in Phoenix. (AP Photo/Ross D. Franklin)
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    The Wizards issued a statement Thursday night saying there was no ammunition in the locked container, and Arenas and the team have notified authorities and the league.

    Arenas told The Washington Times he took his guns to the Verizon Center after his daughter, Hamiley Penny, was born this month. About a week later, he said he handed them over to team security to give to police.

    "I wouldn't have brought them to D.C. had I known the rules," Arenas told the newspaper. "After my daughter was born, I was just like, 'I don't need these anymore.'"

    Arenas was suspended for Washington's season opener in 2004 because he failed to maintain proper registration of a handgun while living in California in 2003. Arenas formerly played for the Golden State Warriors.

    Officer Quintin Peterson, a spokesman for the Washington police department, told The Associated Press on Thursday night there was no report of any active investigation involving Arenas.

    The team and the three-time All-Star "are cooperating fully with law enforcement during its review of this matter and will have no further comment at this time," according to the Wizards' statement.

    CBSSports.com first reported the investigation.

    Wizards spokesman Scott Hall wouldn't say when or where Arenas had the firearms in his locker.

    The NBA's collective bargaining agreement allows for players to legally possess firearms but prohibits them at league facilities or when traveling on any league-related business.

    "We're aware of the situation and are working to gain a full understanding of the facts and relevant legal issues," the NBA said in a release.

    Los Angeles Clippers guard Sebastian Telfair was suspended for two games and fined an undisclosed amount in 2006 after a loaded handgun registered to his girlfriend was found in his pillowcase aboard the team's plane when he was with Portland.

    Arenas scored 18 points in Washington's 109-97 victory at Milwaukee on Wednesday night. The 6-foot-4, 215-pound Arenas is averaging 22.2 points after being limited to 15 games during the past two seasons following three operations on his left knee over 1 1/2 years.

    Arenas, who turns 28 on Jan. 6 and is in the second season of an $111 million, six-year contract, is one of the NBA's most popular players, but a series of injuries has limited his time on the court. Nicknamed Agent Zero, he has a career average of 22.7 points over nine NBA seasons.
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    __Maybe he knows he is so careless with his firearms, and it was the best thing to get them out of the house. That is the reason I got rid of my handguns a few years back. I was not as wise as I am today, and rather than being more responsible with my handguns, I got rid of them. I only kept my Shotgun, which rarely every saw the light of day(basically my break glass in emergency weapon @ home), and my AK-47 Semi auto, which went with me everywhere I went in the back of my truck with four 30 rd magazines filled up and ready to rock. I don't know if you have come across any of my other thread entries, but I often mention that I live in the hood. I often frequented places that this was the weapon you at least needed to have nearby. A lot of people had altered versions of semi-auto rifles! Well, anyways I wised up and stopped frequenting those places that made me feel need to always carry AK-47, and down-sized it to my G26. A more sensible form of protection for my current life style when on the go. At home I lead with the 12 Gauge Shotty, and my G26 is the backup.

    __I figured out what responsibility really means. Maybe Agent Zero a*k*a Gilbert Arenas, will figure it out as well. But like you said it could have been a cover-up too. These athletes often are targets for robbery. I would not blame him for wanting to have a firearm in his locker for quick access after leaving the arena., but with all the cash he makes he should have just hire security to escort him out to his vehicle where he can arm himself legally & not be breaking the rules of NBA or city/State.
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    Officer Quintin Peterson, a spokesman for the Washington police department, told The Associated Press on Thursday night there was no report of any active investigation involving Arenas.


    I'll be suprised if he's charged with anything the way thats worded.
    I take that as," we're investigating, he's cooperating fully, but soon as it blows off the radar screen, its done"





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    Different rules for different pols and...?



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    The NBA's collective bargaining agreement allows for players to legally possess firearms but prohibits them at league facilities or when traveling on any league-related business.
    I think the second amendment trumps your collective barganing,Anybody that trys to violate a persons second amendment rights away from the job etc. would lose badly in court
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I think the second amendment trumps your collective barganing,Anybody that trys to violate a persons second amendment rights away from the job etc. would lose badly in court
    __Well they would not be violating his 2nd amendment rights. 2nd amendment has its limits. As long as he is acting as a member of the NBLPA he must follow the rules set forth by the NBA & his union. He was on NBA private property with a firearm, and is subject to disciplinary action for breaking there rules. Im not sure where the law stands on firearms possession in arena, but I know you are thoroughly searched upon entry into sporting events these days. NO GUNS ALLOWED. This includes for the players we are coming to see.

    __I cannot carry a firearm while on duty at my job, but my companies policy allows me to lock up my firearm once on site. The property I'm assigned to also does not have a rule against possession of firearms on site. If they did, my company would not allow me to carry there at all. All private properties/companies have the right to ask that we not carry firearms onsite or on there time. If we are discovered doing so we can be forced to leave and issued a trespassing warning by the police in presence of the property manager and/or fired by our employers. Maybe its not fair to you, but thats life.

    _Gilbert had a responsibility to know the gun laws of his state, and those set forth by the NBLPA. Ignorance is no excuse! He has lawyers to explain his way out of this. Maybe he should have consulted his lawyer about the gun laws he is bound by. That may have helped prevent this issue in the first place. IMO, Its more likely that he knew he was breaking rules and didnt think he would get caught.

    _I can think of a many ways to store a gun properly out of reach of children in the home. Im sure he owns a safe. He could have locked them up in a offsite safe deposit box maybe. If he felt the need to have access to the guns, I'd say his best bet would be to keep the guns locked inside his car in some way until he exits home/arena. I know a lot of these athletes have hidden reinforced safe boxes in they're vehicles where they stash things from Guns, Drugs, and maybe they're BOOTY CALL PHONE(the line wives/girlfriends dont know about ). Money affords him such luxuries, but money can never overcome these guys ignorance and stupidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    I think the second amendment trumps your collective barganing,Anybody that trys to violate a persons second amendment rights away from the job etc. would lose badly in court
    No, it doesn't.

    Your rights are against government intervention - what you do privately can superceed them.

    An example...

    I will extend you an offer of employment. $175K/year as a begining software engineer...but, this being a union shop, you sign onto the collective bargaining agreement which says you will not carry a weapon on company grounds.

    You accept my offer of employment & sign onto the agreement...and carry anyway.

    As part of your employment, you agree to random searches of your belongings and person (due to corporate security issues, these are in your employment contract) and a gun is discovered.

    You are GONE. Last check in hand, terminated for cause, no positive reference from last employer.

    You cannot claim your RKBA superceeds our contract, and no court will say that any state or federal RKBA will in any way effect our contract in that it will abrogate a weapons clause in an employment contract.

    Constitutional rights protect you against the government, not private action.

    If it's not the government doing the disarming, you are SOL.

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    "I wouldn't have brought them to D.C. had I known the rules," Arenas told the newspaper.
    Sounds like he just committed and confessed to a crime. Anyone want to guess if Washington DC will prosecute him for his firearms violations?

    I wonder if he has any domestic violence issues or felony convictions that would preclude him from possessing a firearm under Federal law?

    I wonder if the firearm he had will be traced by the ATF with a fine tooth comb to see if it was legally purchased.

    Can anyone spell double standard? Someone should call the Washington DC crime report hotline and report him. "I saw a news article that this gentleman had an illegal handgun in DC, please investigate"
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    _Double Standards are everywhere. In real life he would have been fired by his employer. But in this instance he will likely sustain a huge fine from NBA. Id oubt that he will have charges press against him, since this happened on private property that his team owner has control of. If its a city run arena then it may depend on how much media coverage is on the story. If its covered like Plaxico's incident then an EXAMPLE may be made of him for all NBA playes/atheletes to pay close attention to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HUSTLEnomics View Post
    Id oubt that he will have charges press against him, since this happened on private property that his team owner has control of.
    The unregistered/illegal possession laws still apply to private property. A D.C. resident would still need the appropriate paperwork to even posses an unloaded pistol in their home.

    Sadly...I doubt that he will charged as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HUSTLEnomics View Post
    _Double Standards are everywhere. .... since this happened on private property that his team owner has control of.
    It's in Washington DC!

    The city that throws the book at everyone that's not a big-shot!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    The unregistered/illegal possession laws still apply to private property. A D.C. resident would still need the appropriate paperwork to even posses an unloaded pistol in their home.

    Sadly...I doubt that he will charged as well.
    You are right, that is is still illegal. I guess my thought is like the guy on the thread just before me who commented that everyone in DC gets the book thrown at them except BIG SHOTS. Gilbert is a big name, and if the private owner is willing to let it go then if story blows over the DA may be willing to let it go as well. No one was hurt, and if Arenas is a first time offender he may be able to get off with probation & community service. He can afford the best lawyers, and they would spend more money trying to get conviction than its worth.

    Sometimes a person just being in the wrong, is not enough for the DA to want to get involved.
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    He should know what the laws regarding firearms in his own state. For me, an gun without ammo is not much of a weapon. Also, he might have removed the gun because of the nature of his kids; who knows? Hopefully this is not a felony, and he gets off light.

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    Just over a week later, this occurs assumedly with the same gun which had _not_ been removed from the Verizon Center and is still in violation of the law in DC (!).

    http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...cker-room.html

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