Concealed Permit Holder cuffed for officers "safety"

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    Concealed Permit Holder cuffed for officers "safety"

    VIN SUPRYNOWICZ: Handcuffed, disarmed for obeying the law - Opinion - ReviewJournal.com

    From the article:
    {"Upon presentation of my (firearms permit), the officer asked if I had the weapon on me to which I replied yes. She then said to spread my legs and put my hands behind my back. I complied and she then handcuffed me. While doing so, she said that she wanted to make certain 'that we were all safe.' "

    Officer Rogers stripped Mr. Mitchener of the Glock 19 he was carrying, took the weapon and locked it in her patrol car.

    "Bear in mind that she had yet to clear my office (she was waiting for backup for clearing)," Charlie writes. "So, while remote, there was the possibility that the bad guys were still in my office and would come rushing out, finding me, to their delight, handcuffed. Apparently I was not included in her comment 'that we were all safe.' It is always nice when law-abiding citizens, particularly myself, are disposable.}

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    Outrageous behavior.

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    "...If the burglar or burglars had emerged, they would have been confronted not by two armed law-abiding good guys, but instead by one small, frightened officer and a handcuffed and disarmed legal occupant..."

    Most troubling portion of her judgement.

    Don't agree with LEO, but I understand if nothing happens to her. Sometimes judgement calls are just that. While what she did was over the top, it was within her discretion if it is her word vs his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngngFreedom View Post
    Outrageous behavior.
    Agreed, especially so the part where he was left handcuffed and thus effectively detained for an hour even as it then well established that he is supposed to be there.
    Frankly I would not care that she is a rookie.

    Still though he should not take this singular incident as being a reflection on most never mind all possible future situations.

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    I'm just totally speechless.
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    Another officer told Charlie that, based on J. Rogers' badge number, she had probably only been on her own for less than six months and was probably not secure in what she was doing.
    Ya think??

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    I have been cuffed and detained before the whole ccw thing was a law here in kansas. Another patrol car pulled up with a woman passenger that said '' no he's not the guy'' and i was released. i would guess they do it for safety reasons.

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    When I call the cops to my home or business, they are my guest, my property my rights. Asking me to disarm on my own property Im asking you to leave.
    I think Im safer clearing the place myself.
    I know not what this "overkill" means.

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    I concur...



    Pretty clear...

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    Wow, I know that in Texas a LEO can disarm you, but handcuff you with out reading your rights? Correct me if I am wrong, when I took a Federal Special Agent test, one of the questions stated that even keeping someone to ask questions you have to inform them of thier rights that was the correct answer. So Cuffing someone is that not the same thing?

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    You can be cuffed for the officers safety, so if he/she decides for their own safety they will cuff you. (I am about to read it)

    (Read it)
    he/She said in

    "I asked if she was following procedure to handcuff me and remove my weapon to which she did not have a good answer, other than I was larger than her.

    So for all she knows it could of been a faux break in, you had found paperwork and were looking to possibly kill a cop.

    In a biker magazine I had, it stated that cops are told to go out on patrol as if someone is out to get them. Its more of a precaution.
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    No, it is not the same thing rstrain.

    Being cuffed or zip-tied and/or placed on to the seat of a cruiser is nothing more than detention.
    Being detained is not arrest. There is a big difference between the two.
    At time of arrest is when you are Mirandized.

    A person can be detained without arrest for time frames generally set by state laws and regs., before requiring either release or subsequent to that arrest.
    Time frames on the order of hours, 15 to as long as in some states 48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Janq View Post
    No, it is not the same thing rstrain.

    Being cuffed or zip-tied and/or placed on to the seat of a cruiser is nothing more than detention.
    Being detained is not arrest. There is a big difference between the two.
    At time of arrest is when you are Mirandized.

    A person can be detained without arrest for time frames generally set by state laws and regs., before requiring either release or subsequent to that arrest.
    Time frames on the order of hours, 15 to as long as in some states 48.

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    Thanks for clearing that up for me. Good to know that.

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