Update: Everett police shot at man 17 times

This is a discussion on Update: Everett police shot at man 17 times within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by ccw9mm Exactly, which makes me wonder what inspired him to open the door, shotgun or not. Originally Posted by dsee11789 Probably because ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Exactly, which makes me wonder what inspired him to open the door, shotgun or not.
    Quote Originally Posted by dsee11789 View Post
    Probably because he was hammered. That's why guns and alcohol don't mix. People feel invincible when they are drunk or high.


    Most of us answer the door with a pistol. But we keep ours hidden. Maybe he always answered the door with a shotty but this time because he was drunk he made a huge booboo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    Alcohol and guns don't mix. But neither does rushing into an unknown situation make for good careful work or prevent accidental shootings and accidental (unwise) arrests of the sort we frequently read about in the news.
    Which is why, I presume, there's a trial. One-sided stories that have too many questions about them often don't hold up well. That it happens to be the "official" LEO end of the scale this time simply shows how true it is. Now that is a lesson worth remembering, as folks who carry.
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    The Officers were responding to a burglary in progress call. A guy opens to door with a shotgun. Bad situation.

    Should the Officers wait to see if the guy is going to shoot at them? Would you?

    Very unfortunate. You can do everything right and still come out with a tragic result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archer51 View Post
    Based on the story as printed, it sounds like a justified shooting. Failure to obey commands, especially when armed with a shotgun, is a good way to get shot.
    Not to me, sounds like they were surprised by the shotgun and as he came out... the one started firing, so the others did as well about the same time. Sounds like "over-reaction" and reacted too quickly.. there was no assessment of the situation here.

    A homeowner with a gun, is not normally a threat. Burglars don't carry shotguns. So, that should have been a really strong hint to the officers right there.

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    It ought to be interesting to see what happens, I don't care if he's a home owner or a burglar coming out of his house armed and those officers are unprotected (if the facts are correct) all of them were not behind cover, ok time for split second decision.

    Fact - They were summonded by neighbors who thought he was a burglar.

    Fact - They had no idea he was the home owner

    Fact - He came out of the door with a shotgun, burglars can arm themselves with home owners weapons, it's not unheard of, that's why they are called thieifs.

    Maybe a fact - He was drunk or had consumed alcohol, bad mixture.

    Maybe a fact - Only one side can be told, other side cannot be told, he was ordered to drop the gun, without another side, we have to trust the one side alive on this until proven differently, innocent until proven guilty, it works for the police also.

    This is a shame for sure either way.
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    17 rounds fired, but only 4 hits...


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    A homeowner with a gun, is not normally a threat. Burglars don't carry shotguns. So, that should have been a really strong hint to the officers right there.
    Not so simple.

    A muddy footprint on the broken door.
    A man meeting them with a shotgun.
    A man holding a shotgun on them.
    A man that doesn't drop the shotgun when told to do so.
    An officer falling back wards while another shoots.
    The rest of the officers shooting.

    Where's the "hint"?
    Burglars don't carry shotguns?
    Are you willing to stake your life on that?

    Its never as simple as it seems.

    Often times you are danged if you do and danged if you don't,especially if you are a cop. You get slammed for acting too quickly or you get slammed for not acting quick enough.

    What if no one had shot and the homeowner shot a cop? Then everyone would be wondering why in the heck they didn't shoot sooner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    Everybody always know exactly how to do a cops job on Monday morning.
    Or on a Sunday morning...like right now.
    I would rather stand against the cannons of the wicked than against the prayers of the righteous.


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    The unusual part for me is the positioning of the officers.

    Isn't it standard procedure to not stand in a vulnerable position when attempting to enter a building with a possible BG?

    The way the story reads, all three officers appear to have been stumbling backwards to get away from the man (one of them tripped and fell.) Another claims to have been scared half to death (understandable). But where is the mental preparedness? There might be a BG in the house, and it sounds like all three freaked out when confronted with the apparent BG.

    No doubt the homeowner acted poorly, but so did the cops, it seems. The homeowner probably wasn't trained for these situations, but those cops sure were.

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    Sorry about that, one was in a defensive position behind a utility pole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RemMod597 View Post
    17 rounds fired, but only 4 hits...
    Doorways, not know for their width, firing coming from different angles towards a small opening with obstacles and he's hold a gun and he's probably not just standing there while bullets are flying. 17 rounds from possibly 3 different officers isn't that big of a deal actually in my view when you really want the individual down and out and adrenaline is running high as I'm sure it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExHippie View Post
    The unusual part for me is the positioning of the officers.

    Isn't it standard procedure to not stand in a vulnerable position when attempting to enter a building with a possible BG?
    Its hard to always follow "standard procedure" when there are no standard situations.
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    Classic unintended consequences, mostly the homeowner's fault. Since I'm not a CSI fan somebody please explain what DNA has to do with this???
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    A few last thoughts on this from the perspective of the homeowner:

    It's 1 am, and someone is pounding on my door. They're yelling, but with the TV on, and the walls in between us, I can't tell exactly what they're saying. Better grab the shotgun just in case. I open the door, but can't see well because my eyes haven't adjusted to the dark. Someone yells at me to drop my weapon, but I can't make them out in the dark. Moments later, a hail of gunfire erupts.

    And the newspapers aren't reporting that I ever even fired a shot.

    Just something to think about.

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