3 inmates shot during failed prison escape

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    Shooting an escaping prisoner is a deterrent.

    Knowing that you will get shot if you attempt to escape is a deterrent.

    Seeing one of your cell mates get shot when he tries to escape will make you think twice about it.

    The only thing that some of these thugs fear is Death.

    Occasionally they need to be reminded that it could happen to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rottkeeper View Post
    I vote yes, heck some should be shot right after sentencing...
    Or as in the case of the Guantanamo crowd perhaps before sentencing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nutz4utwo View Post
    3 inmates shot during failed prison escape.

    Question, is deadly force reasonable to stop a fleeing felon?
    It absolutely should be, when the safety of others is on the line. (Meaning, there are "paperwork" [statutory] felons, and then there are violent felons.) But, you'd damned well better be right. If you screw that up, then you've just hosed a citizen. Can't be doing that without repercussions.

    Until the laws change, though, my state considers me a criminal if I dare do it, except for in very limited circumstances. So, for me, it's verboten.
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    I'm curious....
    What sort firearm and ammo are prison guards provided with???


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    I'm curious....
    What sort firearm and ammo are prison guards provided with???
    The ones in the towers I see around here are using M-4's and Glocks.
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    To the 6 people who said no do you mind if the felons hid out in your neighborhood? Whould you let them borrow your car? Would you like them to hold your kids hostage in the school? How do the guards know if the felons where convited of securty fraud or multipole homicides? Think with your brain. This was a maximum security prison with death row inmates. The inmates know deadly force WILL BE USED.

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    it all depends on the situation and who is escaping.

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    As an aside, we had a No Hostage rule. If an inmate took someone hostage and demanded to be released or the hostage dies, we refused to release them. We may negotiate all day and all night, however, we never allowed any inmate to walk out. We had this scenario several times, and in each instance, no one got to escape. Several inmates died, and some hostages died, but no one was successful in their escape attempt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mmPro View Post
    it all depends on the situation and who is escaping.
    I don't believe that the guards know or care who is escaping and there is only one situation. Escape.

    Its really pretty simple. Don't want to get shot, don't try to escape.
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    Im my experience working for the Virginia Dept of Corrections in the early 90s, any state inmate whose body goes over the fence (second fence if applicable) gets shot until they stop attempting to escape. Is this morally right? I can't say, but them were the rules. I personally would expand the kind of people who are eligible to get shot on site (like rioters and arsonists). We carried S&W Model 10 38s, and had one Ruger Mini 14 and some well worn 12 gauges that I can't remember the manufacturer.
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    How could it ever be morally wrong?
    As a nation we have become a bunch of namby-pambies!
    They are in the pen, the tank, the hoosegow, behind bars. They are the bad guys. The good guys are outside, with guns and their purpose is to confine the bad guys. There is no secret about this. They are told, they see the fence, the watchtowers, the armed guards. There is a reason there are guards, there is a reason the guards have guns. What, you want to take away their guns now? If the watchguards can't shoot to stop escape attempts, why would they need guns?

    It is good to question everything we do. But some of the stuff I read on the news is making me think the country is going CRAZY!!!

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    But some of the stuff I read on the news is making me think the country is going CRAZY!!!
    That's because it IS !
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9mmPro View Post
    it all depends on the situation and who is escaping.
    So the guards in the tower have the time to identify and look up the charges on the inmate to see if he falls under the shoot category? Your statement makes no sense. They know they will be shot and should be shot when trying to escape.

    If this thread was about three convicts escaping and murdering innocent people during their attempt to gain freedom or even after for that matter, people would be screaming why weren't they stopped before they got over the fence.............

    Anyone trying to gain freedom from prison through an escape becomes more dangerous no matter what they were in for. If they are that desperate for freedom to escape it would seem to me they should be deemed desperate enough to kill to remain free.
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    I have no problem with it. Especially in this case. KHOU did a little piece on this and they told us a little bit about the "people" involved:
    TDCJ released the names of the five inmates:
    Michael Dueitt, 27, convicted in Calhoun County and serving a life sentence for capital murder
    Juan Quintero,36, convicted in Harris Count and serving a life without parole sentence for capital murder
    Donald Gower, 41, convicted in Lampass County and serving a life without parole sentence for capital murder
    Terry McDonald, 29, convicted in El Paso County and serving a life sentence for murder
    Albin Zelaya-Zelaya, 29, convicted in Harris County and serving a life sentence for burglary with intent to commit a felony

    Quintero and Gowen suffered multiple lacerations. They have since been treated for their injuries and are back at the unit.
    Dueitt, Zelaya-Zelaya, and McDonald suffered gunshot wounds and were taken to area hospitals for non-life threatening injuries.

    Quintero, an illegal immigrant, was convicted in 2008 of murdering HPD officer Rodney Johnson in 2006.

    All five offenders could face felony attempted escape charges.
    As you can see these were all pillars of the community.
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    Texas Statutes - Section 9.52: PREVENTION OF ESCAPE FROM CUSTODY
    The use of force to prevent the escape of an arrested person from custody is justifiable when the force could have been employed to effect the arrest under which the person is in custody, except that a guard employed by a correctional facility or a peace officer is justified in using any force, including deadly force, that he reasonably believes to be immediately necessary to prevent the escape of a person from the correctional facility.
    Unfortunately all five of these individuals are still consuming my tax dollars.
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    MCP 1810: Thank you for posting the names and offenses of those fine upstanding citizens who were shot while attempting to escape from prison. Oops, forgot one is not a citizen at all; the scumbag is an illegal alien who murdered a cop.

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