Local Cop Advocates Shooting Law Abiding Citizens - Merged 2x

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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    Another example of why a lot of people do not trust and do not like the police. There are way too many of them who feel superior to the "common citizen". Only they should have guns. Only they can determine if you should be allowed to exercise your 2A rights.

    This clown needs to be fired and made an example of in a better way.

    +100%. Even joking like this by a LEO should be condemned by all other LEOs, there is no defense for a man who promises to uphold the law, to be joking about breaking it. From what I get out of the line on facebook the LEO in question at least has a superiority complex, and should be removed from a job as a peace officer. The final question should be, should you feel safe if this officer pulls you over... not if you have a brain in your head; just think he could have had a fight with his significant other. This officer needs a new line of work, where he can kill people that he does not agree with!

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    I would think LEO's should worry more about those not displaying a weapon openly. They at least know the OC guy has a gun whether they know it is loaded or not. The sneaky ones may have 2 or 3 guns plus hand grenades and LEO has no way of knowing.

    Do any of you think it would be OK to prone any citizen not displaying a weapon to see if they are carrying (loaded).

    It sounds to me like East Palo Alto LEO's may be practicing "Profiling" which is not "Politicaly Correct" in this day and age.

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    Nice to see this incident has bubbled up to the top of foxnews.com web page.

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    Gun Rights Advocates Target California Detective Following Facebook Posts

    Gun Rights Advocates Target California Detective Following Facebook Posts

    Sunday , February 14, 2010
    By Joshua Rhett Miller

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    Gun rights advocates have a California police detective in their crosshairs after he apparently posted comments on Facebook advocating that "open carry" supporters should be shot.

    East Palo Alto Police Det. Rod Tuason apparently posted the remarks on his Facebook page in response to a friend's status update, which suggested that gun advocates who carry unloaded weapons openly — which is legal in California — should do so in places like "Oakland, Richmond and East Palo Alto" and not just in "hoity toity" cities.

    "Haha we had one guy last week try to do it!" Tuason replied. "He got proned out [laid face-down on the ground] and reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"

    Several comments later, the detective suggested shooting the gun rights advocates, some of whom have carried firearms openly in recent weeks in California's Bay Area, particularly at Starbucks locations.

    "Sounds like you had someone practicing their 2nd amendment rights last night!" Tuason wrote. "Should've pulled the AR out and prone them all out! And if one of them makes a furtive movement … 2 weeks off!!!" -- referring to the modified duty, commonly known as desk duty, that typically follows any instance in which an officer is investigated for firing his weapon.

    Those comments caught the attention of a California attorney and blogger, as well as a Virginia man who started a Facebook group calling for Tuason's termination.

    John Taylor, whose Facebook group had 54 members as of midday Friday, said the Facebook thread confirmed gun owners' worst fears.

    "Any sworn officer who suggests shooting law-abiding citizens for exercising their most basic constitutional rights deserves the full wrath of America's gun owners," Taylor told FoxNews.com. "It's an affront."

    California's Penal Code makes it illegal to carry concealed weapons without a county-issued license. But it is legal to carry an unloaded weapon in plain view in a holster. In most cases, it is illegal for an unconcealed weapon to be loaded.

    Taylor, of Arlington, Va., who has a concealed weapons permit in his home state, said he planned to write a letter to the East Palo Alto Police Department demanding that Tuason be fired.

    "The targeting, harassment and intimidation of law-abiding citizens who are peacefully agitating for their rights by a police officer is an abomination to the Constitution, and is in fact the exact reason our Founding Fathers created the Second Amendment," Taylor said. "Police officers who think they are going to get between law-abiding Americans and their Second Amendment rights are going to find themselves in the line of fire."

    Tuason's comments were first noticed by California attorney Kevin Thomason, who posted a screen grab of the detective's remarks on his Web site on Sunday.

    "[Tuason] didn't realize that actual PRO-GUN people also read Facebook," Thomason wrote. "Amazingly, he posted the following comment about law abiding gun owners on a friend's page. Basically, he's saying 'prone them out' (face down on the ground), and if anyone moves, kill them. I don't make this crap up."

    Thomason, a member of the National Rifle Association, wrote that Tuason's comments were "worth a call" to the East Palo Alto City Council, as well as to his superior officers.

    Tuason, who has since removed his Facebook profile, did not return messages seeking comment on Friday. He is reportedly being investigated by the police department's professional standards division regarding the Facebook remarks.

    East Palo Alto Police Sgt. Rod Norris said he was unable to comment on the matter, but Capt. Carl Estelle told the San Jose Mercury News that police officials must be careful not to violate Tuason's First Amendment rights, since the comments appeared on his personal Web site.

    "In no way are his personal comments reflective of any policies or procedures here at the department nor does he speak for the police department," Estelle told the newspaper.

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    It is wise to consider the medium that you are using and the audience (receivers) before you type (or communicate) your thoughts or opinion, and think how it will come across.
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    reminded where he was at and that turds will jack him for his gun in a heartbeat!"
    That's actually a good point. If the bangers know that you can only open carry a firearm in CA unloaded then they know that the OCer (who is most likely law-abiding) doesn't have a loaded gun and therefore cannot defend themselves.


    The cop was most likely just joking around on his Facebook.

    But he's not a OC/CC advocate so.... He should be fired. lol


    East Palo Alto Police Sgt. Rod Norris said he was unable to comment on the matter, but Capt. Carl Estelle told the San Jose Mercury News that police officials must be careful not to violate Tuason's First Amendment rights, since the comments appeared on his personal Web site.
    He wasn't just giving his opinion. He made a threat towards all OCers.

    I was under the impression that threats were not covered under the 1st Amendment.

    Say something on Facebook about Obama and you'll have the SS kicking down your door in 10 minutes.

    Perhaps every gun owner in CA should file a restraining order against Mr. Tuason.
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    Those comments are pretty bad. Even if he was joking, it is not appropriate. Certainly bad enough to earn a reprimand, possible bad enough to get him fired, or even arrested.

    I hope he gets busted. You bet if some disgruntled teenager wrote about taking a firearm to school and "proning" teachers out he would be arrested and expelled. Should we hold this officer to that standard?

    I routinely see news articles about people posting things like "underage college drinking party" on facebook, only to get busted when the cops arrive at the date and time listed in the invite. Stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TN_Mike View Post
    Another example of why a lot of people do not trust and do not like the police. There are way too many of them who feel superior to the "common citizen". Only they should have guns. Only they can determine if you should be allowed to exercise your 2A rights.

    This clown needs to be fired and made an example of in a better way.
    I agree 100%!
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    Now remember boys and girls the police are your friendsWhere is the puking smiley ?

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    In fairness, this is just cyber-chatter that does not matter, mine or yours or his, since our fingers can fly faster than our minds and this is not real writing, since we all have made mistakes: NEVER send emotional email and wait for at least a day before you send it [writing] away. It's like quoting or misquoting or paraphrasing what drunks and drug addicts may or may not say inside bars. Oh, my pal and I forgive Mel Gibson and went and seen him in his new "Edge of Darkness" movie at a local matinee picture show. I have to admit, at my late-middle-age, Mel now reminds me more of myself than Brad Pitt and that ain't no shi, uh...time to quit.

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    Back off! This is just personal cyber-chatter! Brady Bunchers and Bloomturders just might be looking at these web sites too, and seeing what is being typed by me and you. Get over it. It's just chatter that does not matter. No, unlike that chatter of Major Moozlum, before he did no good at Fort Hood.

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    I have seen it personally from both sides ous and LEO's. I have a buddy in FL who is a LEO who is very pro legal carry.

    Cops have a dangerous duty, they can and will be wounded or killed at nearly every second they are on and even off duty. Remember the police shootings in Seattle recently?

    I'm not defending this guy either. We all must remember that LEO's are still human, just like we are, but occasionally we get one with an elitist attitude towards the gun owning crowd. Should he have made the comments on the facebook page? Probably not, but his choice and words will make a difference on how he will be judged by folks who read them. Poor taste in haste will probably get this guy boiled in oil for his "attitide".

    Personally, I believe that most LEO's are PRO firearm, especially when they are carried legally. How many posts have we read here when LEO encounters with law-abiding citizens, and both concealed and open carry go well? We can't let the attitide of one dolt make it bad for the rest.

    And to quote Homey the Clown...."What have we learned, if nothing else?"

    "Don't be postin' crap on Facebook if you don't want people reading it!!!"
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    Remember when Detective Mark Furhman was put on trial, for his taped cop-talk racist comments, during the trial that was supposed to be taking place because of O.J. Simpson murdering his ex-wife and a waiter while committing a federal hate crime? O.J. murdered a woman and a Jew, two minority-members of select special federally-protected groups. Mark Furhman did get to retire and write books, despite his lack of fans, finally getting some justice done against the Kennedy Clan, for the family of the late Martha Moxley.

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    Quote, Leon Harrison: "NEVER post emotional email!" and "Wait for at least one day before you send it away!"....and "Don't do what I do, but do what I say.".

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