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    Seattle Bus Station beating, Security "Observe and Report"

    Officials seek policy change after tunnel beating

    Officials seek policy change after tunnel beating - Yahoo! News

    there is a link to watch the video on the left.


    SEATTLE – Three unarmed security guards were following orders last month when they stood by without intervening as a 15-year-old girl was badly beaten in a downtown Seattle bus tunnel. Now the company they work for and government officials say those orders should be revised.

    The guards' actions during the brutal attack — captured on surveillance video — prompted an outcry from Metro Transit and King County authorities, who said they wished the guards had broken up the fight even though they're not supposed to.

    "We are very disappointed in what people see in that video," said Metro Transit General Manager Kevin Desmond. "It was absolutely unacceptable."

    Police arrived minutes after the attack, and after the group had fled. Investigators tracked down four, including the alleged attacker, and arrested them on Friday and Saturday. The four were all charged with first-degree robbery.

    In court papers filed Wednesday against the teen girl accused of attacking the 15-year-old and the three young men accused of stealing her purse, phone and iPod, the victim told authorities she thought the security guards would protect her.

    Surveillance video first aired by Seattle's KING-TV this week shows the attack at Westlake Station on Jan. 28. The victim appears several seconds before her attackers and sidles up to the three guards, who are standing together and talking.

    When a group of teens and young adults approaches the girl, she appears to seek refuge by moving around to the other side of the guards.

    Another 15-year-old girl shoves the victim and begins punching her. The two crash into a wall and then onto the floor. The assailant gets up and kicks and stomps on the girl's head. Others grab her purse, iPod and cell phone.

    The guards, who have standing orders to "observe and report," called police.

    The victim told a King County sheriff's detective that the group followed her from a nearby department store into the bus tunnel at Westlake Station on Jan. 28, and she deliberately stood next to the three guards.

    At the department store, two Seattle police officers noticed the escalating situation and kicked the group out of the Macy's, then brought the girl and her friend to another exit, the victim said. She reported that she asked the officers for an escort to the bus tunnel, just below the department store, but the officers refused.

    "Had these officers known what was to transpire, they probably would have paid for a cab for this victim to be taken safely to her home, but they didn't know. They broke up a couple of disturbances and provided the victim an opportunity to leave the area via bus," said Sgt. Sean Whitcomb, a Seattle police spokesman.

    One of the defendants, 18-year-old Dominique Whitaker, told detectives that earlier in the evening the victim had pepper-sprayed another person in the group.

    The 15-year-old, who reported that she lost consciousness during the attack, was not hospitalized but did see a doctor.

    King County Sheriff's Sgt. John Urquhart said the guards were right to follow their training.

    "If you're a bank teller and you do something other than give them the money, you're going to get fired," Urquhart said. "We don't expect civilians to take police action. In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1."

    Metro Transit contracts with the King County Sheriff's Office for 68 police officers, and supplements that force with civilian guards provided by Olympic Security Services Inc. of Tukwila, Wash. All three of the guards involved are Olympic employees.

    The guards' duties include helping customers and reporting suspicious objects, disruptive behavior and equipment problems.

    Olympic Security President Mark Vinson did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday. Desmond said he has been in close contact with the company, and its executives were disappointed in the response of the guards.

    Olympic Security is working up a proposed contract revision that could include additional training and new guidelines on how and when guards should intervene, Desmond said.

    "They are highly motivated to make changes very quickly," Desmond said. "I am motivating them, and they have a reputation to keep."

    Other options include hiring armed guards.

    Unarmed guards could put themselves and others at risk if they intervene in certain situations. But this incident was largely a fight between two teenage girls, and there does not appear to be any indication that the larger group would have become involved if the guards broke it up, Desmond said.

    "If I was there on the platform I don't know that I would have stood there," he said. "It's their job to be down there. The people at Olympic Security had the same human response: 'Why didn't we step in to protect the girl on the ground?'"

    The girl charged with being the primary attacker faces up to 2 1/2 years in juvenile detention if convicted. Whitaker and Latroy D. Hayman, 20, each face a sentence of 31 to 41 months in prison if convicted, and the third adult defendant, Tyrone J. Watson, 18, could face a sentence of 36 to 48 months in prison.

    It was not immediately clear if any had obtained lawyers.
    Security fail. Police fail. There are some really interesting statements there. I would guess there will be some lawsuits as well.

    It is scary- if I would have been present, as soon as the kicking in the head started, there would have been one dead assailant. I do not want to get involved, but there are times I cannot stand by! This might would be one of them.
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    If that is policy, I think I would take my vest off, QUIT the job and help. As a human being I could not stand there and not do anything.
    That's just my opinion, I'm sure there will be others.

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    Just goes to enforce that you are on your own for your security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BkCo1 View Post
    Just goes to enforce that you are on your own for your security.

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    Unbelievable that they did not intervene. Inexcusable.
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    Typical Seattle attitude.


    The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters.

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    One of the Main Reasons I didn't move to Seattle last year when I had the opportunity. Too many with sheepel attitude.

    I'm like a lot of you, come hell or high water I would have waded in there and stopped that mess. Or died trying.

    But, I would have been found with an empty gun and pile of brass around me.

    This attitude of "Not My Problem" is exackly why we have this problem.

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    It gets sadder.

    Take note of the teen victims words...

    The 15-year-old girl whose brutal beating in a public bus terminal was caught on tape told Seattle investigators that she thought the three security guards who stood by and watched would protect her.

    "I went to the security and told them that these kids were trying to jump me," the girl said in her statement to investigators that was obtained today by ABCNews.com. "I know that I am about to get jumped and I am hanging around the guards to try and get protection."

    "I thought the security guards would defend me," said the victim, whose name is being withheld by ABCNews.com because she is a minor...

    Source - Girl Beating Victim Expected Security Guards to Protect Her - ABC News
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    Their uniforms were mis-labled: should have read Insecurity.


    The maximum effective range of an excuse is zero meters.

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    How about the police officers who refused to escort her to the bus? What is their obligation in that sittuation? They break up a disturbance and the assaulted party asks for an escort to safety and they refused? That doesn't seem right to me either.
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    The responsibility for the attack belongs entirely to the attackers. However, the responsibility for inaction falls squarely on the shoulders of those who were present and did nothing. Claiming "procedural policy" is just another way of saying "I was following orders."

    Doing the right thing can cost you, which is why so many people won't do it. They love and support the idea of someone ELSE taking the risks necessary to keep people safe.
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    "We don't expect civilians to take police actions" ***! I would expect another human being to take a human action and step in!

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    Asbestos underoos are on...............
    Having been a union rep and also having worked private security I have absolutely no problem with the security guards and their actions.
    They did exactly what they are paid to do. If the folks there don't like what they got for their money they need to negotiate a new contract. These guys are probably making minimum wage, or close to it. If you want them to insert themselves into a violent situation you need to provide them with the training and the tools to do the job safely and you need to adquately compensate them for that risk.
    I love how the employer is disapointed in the response of the guards. I wonder what their employee handbook says to do in situations like this. Do you think more people have been fired by that company for following the written policies or from deviating from them? If the guards had gone hands on and the thing went sideways would the company cover medical and legal expenses or claim that since they violated written policy they were on their own?
    The security guards did their job and they did it well. It is no fault of theirs that the general public does not understand what their job really is.
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    Based on mcp1810's view of this....I feel that's not a job worth having. In fact...it's a job a security camera should have. Why are they even there. I bet they would try to take a spray can away from a graffiti writer to save the property.

    I watched the video on the news the other night. That was aweful....terrible. If I was being paid that poorly to have the title of "guard" I wouldn't be so worried about getting fired trying to help the person who is being attacked. Where is their humanity? They just stood there feet from this and were probably cracking jokes too. I'd have done something...gotten fired and felt good about it. The way I look at it their JOB also included calling the police. I did not see one of them try to pick up or get to a phone during the entire incident. People can really suck sometimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcp1810 View Post
    Asbestos underoos are on...............
    Having been a union rep and also having worked private security I have absolutely no problem with the security guards and their actions.
    They did exactly what they are paid to do. If the folks there don't like what they got for their money they need to negotiate a new contract. These guys are probably making minimum wage, or close to it. If you want them to insert themselves into a violent situation you need to provide them with the training and the tools to do the job safely and you need to adquately compensate them for that risk.
    I love how the employer is disapointed in the response of the guards. I wonder what their employee handbook says to do in situations like this. Do you think more people have been fired by that company for following the written policies or from deviating from them? If the guards had gone hands on and the thing went sideways would the company cover medical and legal expenses or claim that since they violated written policy they were on their own?
    The security guards did their job and they did it well. It is no fault of theirs that the general public does not understand what their job really is.
    You are, of course technically correct. They did exactly what they were paid to do, which is why by and large this type of security presence is a complete joke. Better to replace the human presence with monitored cameras if that's all the good they do.
    My issue with their performance is humanitarian. How could you not be moved morally to intervene, job be damned? Is the minimum wage job job worth the weight on the conscience to watch a young girl stomped over and over even after submission? That's disappointing.
    Further, as an aside, it's truly chilling how depraved even young girls can be now.
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