Bad: McDonald's Worker killed trying to protect store manager from robbery

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    Bad: McDonald's Worker killed trying to protect store manager from robbery

    Too bad neither the employees or none of the patrons were armed. Terrible shame.

    Jacksonville McDonald's worker, a Haitian immigrant, slain trying to thwart robbery of co-worker | Jacksonville.com

    A gunman fatally shot a Haitian immigrant outside a Southside McDonald's this afternoon after the victim, a maintenance man at the store, tried to save his manager from a daring daylight robbery, said Jacksonville police and the wife of an employee.

    The victim's wife identified him as Raynold Orelus, who has been in the United States about six years and worked to support his four children in earthquake-ravaged Haiti. Orelus, 45, has an infant child in Jacksonville, where he has lived for two years, according to his wife. He and Miraclide Orelus, 47, had been married 19 years.

    Police said they caught the gunman 13 miles away in Northwest Jacksonville after his car was followed from the Baymeadows Road store briefly by a citizen and then by officers.

    Shots were fired after the man fled from his car on West Ninth Street, but it's unclear who fired, said Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Melissa Bujeda. The fleeing man was caught by a police dog. The man and a police officer received minor injuries, but neither was shot, Bujeda said. Police have not released the suspect's identity.

    The attack occurred shortly before 2 p.m. at 8590 Baymeadows Road in the Baymeadows Festival shopping center between Interstate 95 and Philips Highway. After the victim was shot and the robber drove off, employees and others rushed from the store in an effort to save him, said Mia Hall, whose husband works in the store.

    "All of them went to help him, to hold him, to try to console him, to try to keep him alive," said Hall, 27. "By the time I got up here ... he was dead."

    Hall said her husband told her by phone that the victim was trying to save the manager from being robbed of her deposit bag as she went to her black SUV just outside the store. Bujeda said the victim was shot while escorting another employee from the store.

    The manager, who wasn't hurt, gave the robber her bag of money at some point during the attack, Hall said. Hall said she knew the victim. She left work and drove to the scene to see her husband, who was also texting her information.

    "He [Orelus] would run to help anybody," Hall said. "You hear about it everyday, but you never think it'll just happen to somebody you know."

    Witnesses reported hearing one shot and saw a man in a green truck driving erratically through the parking lot, apparently in pursuit of a suspect vehicle. Police caught up with the vehicle in the 1300 block of West Ninth Street. The man was caught after bailing from the vehicle and trying to flee on foot.

    Jeff Waterhouse, 24, who works at a nearby restaurant, said he heard a bang, came outside and saw the green truck speeding out of the parking lot. Waterhouse said he went to where the victim was lying and saw a half-dozen people trying to revive him. He said the man had a gunshot to the stomach area and wasn't moving.

    "I've never seen it before," said a startled Waterhouse.

    Police tape was stripped around the restaurant, as employees and customers were evacuated. Many employees were ushered away from the scene in an city bus.

    A 19-year-old woman who began working at the McDonald's as a cashier two weeks ago walked upon the scene and asked what happened. When told, the woman said she was shocked and walked away.
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    Better to be a good witness. Money can be replaced or the loss taken, but the life cannot be recouped.

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    Brave man wished it would have turned out better!!!!!

    Prayer on way for his family!!!!
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    How many times have you heard me say that Jax was an 'extra mag' town...and this was for a Mickey D's...
    I am sorry to hear about a hard working man who was just interested in helping a co-worker.

    There should have been an armed employee to permanently ruin this dirtbag's future.
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    I've been to that McDonald's a few times, and the bar-b-que place behind it is AMAZINGLY good and I go to it often. This just reminds me that at anytime, anywhere, you might be forced to defend yourself with deadly force. I'm sorry for that man and his family, and will take this occurrence as a strong reminder.
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    Sad that the hard working guy trying to make an honest buck and live the American dream had this opportunity taken away by some leech dirtbag who will probably be back out on the street next week.

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    :(

    Why do people with money bags to deposit walk out into public carrying...MONEY BAGS!?



    If only the manager had placed the _money bag_ inside of a McBag so as to camouflage it's presence this crime of opportunity very likely would not have occurred.

    Soo many of these stories pop-up people walking around with BAG O' MONEY in hand and are shocked to get run up on by BGs.
    Do not do this!!

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    What a waste of a life, just for some colored paper.

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    Why don't stores quit putting employees at risk and schedule armored car pickups,When I was an LEO stores could call for an armed escort to make deposits,we would follow them in their cars until the money was deposited
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    The details are WAY too vague. How exactly did the victim try to save his manager? Did he attack the gunman? Did he shield her with his body when it became apparent that the dirtbag was going to shoot?

    Until it's all over, there are three things you cannot predict:

    The Mission What is the criminal really after? Sure, he says he just wants your money or car keys but why would you trust a total stranger who's sticking a gun in your face?

    Determination How far does he intend to go? Is he planning to run after taking your wallet or purse? Or does he plan to kill the only living witness first, and then run?

    Operational Discipline
    Sure, he showed up for a robbery but things are going so well why not throw in a kidnapping-rape-murder on top of it?

    I agree with the sentiment that no amount of money is worth your life. But I also understand that believing the criminal will be satisfied with money amounts to gambling your life on the discipline and "professionalism" of a thug.
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    What janq said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Why don't stores quit putting employees at risk and schedule armored car pickups,When I was an LEO stores could call for an armed escort to make deposits,we would follow them in their cars until the money was deposited
    When I worked at Burger King.....I was always aghast that the managers would make one or 2 "bank runs" during a shift...
    They carried cash in "unmarked" bags...but any dimwit KNEW what they were....and what they contained!!!
    The local LEOs have a "10-39" (armed escort) available....all my boss had to do was ask for it....!!!("Aw, it's OK...Bank's just up the street.....!")
    Did I mention...I don't work there anymore????

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    Poor employee broke rule# 17.... "Don't be a hero"
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukalmighty View Post
    Why don't stores quit putting employees at risk and schedule armored car pickups,When I was an LEO stores could call for an armed escort to make deposits,we would follow them in their cars until the money was deposited
    Very sad news prayers sent.

    To answer your question why stores put employees at risk is:

    #1.They have no regard for their lives or family's.

    #2. Greed they would not want spend bucks on armored cars.

    # 3. Brow beat the manager to do the deposit for free.

    Please don't think I am only picking on Mickey D .

    Pretty much all retail companies put managers at risk.

    My former one did the same to me and I carried daily

    and would have got fired for that also.

    A co worker of mine in west palm was shot and robbed

    last December. Company could care less.

    I agree never have deposit bag out in open that's nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post
    Operational Discipline Sure, he showed up for a robbery but things are going so well why not throw in a kidnapping-rape-murder on top of it?

    I agree with the sentiment that no amount of money is worth your life. But I also understand that believing the criminal will be satisfied with money amounts to gambling your life on the discipline and "professionalism" of a thug.
    Good point. I've long said I don't want to trust my life to the whims or mood of a criminal. It's possible the criminal was willing to escalate the event into an abduction, etc.

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