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    Gun Free zones are nothing more than Target Rich environments.

    Anyone that dosent understand that aint too smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Can someone here name one old or new gun law that would/could have prevented this shooting?
    Seems pretty simple, to me ...

    Except for one practical method of precaution, I cannot think of anything that would have stopped the ingress of an armed individual.

    The precaution? A full search at a tightly-controlled single point of entry, in which the overlapping procedures would scan for and feel for externally and internally carried weapons of this sort. A person would be almost certainly be found out prior to entry and both the weapon and person put into custody. Without such a thing, though, we'll never stop entry by a person with a weapon who chooses to use the weapon; we'll only be able to shorten his stay.

    Hm. And yet, an adult with a rifle gained entry. You've got to wonder how many of the recommendations by LtCol Dave Grossman and others have been implemented since the Columbine shootings. Were the "back" doors locked? Were interior doors all upgraded to withstand casual meandering through halls/rooms? Were all interior classroom doors locked during classes? Was there a controlled entry point (though, this, alone, would be relatively simple to crash through)? Were the educators/administrators armed, or at least were there armed security at the school at the time?

    Grossman/Killology approach:

    Grossman / Preparing For School Attacks

    In order to avoid falling victim to DENIAL:

    • DETER - Have alert, visible and armed security on site. Train and equip response teams to a high standard and make their capabilities known (though the details of their response techniques should remain classified). Convince the potential attacker they won’t succeed in killing innocent targets if they come to your locale.

    • DETECT - Like Detectives, be ever vigilant for “clues.” Virtually every school attacker, student or terrorist, conducts extensive reconnaissance of their target. They will analyze the availability of ingress and egress points. Questions will be asked about the site’s security preparations. They may photograph and/or sketch the area. Both human and video surveillance can help you pattern these recon missions.

    • DELAY - Harden the target with security checkpoints and random security patrols. Drill lockdown procedures to remove easy targets from their potential kill zone. Make sure the lock-down procedure includes the means to lock the doors to areas of refuge. Avoid the urge to evacuate anyone into an area not proven to be safe from potential snipers or bombs.

    • DESTROY - If they still choose your site as their target ... you must respond quickly and forcefully. An analysis of active shooter incidents by co-Author Richard Fairburn suggests that even a Rapid Deployment team is unlikely to assemble in time to save lives.(1) In most incidents, the only chance available to save lives is an instant response by on-scene personnel or the first arriving officer. At this point we are not just seeking to defeat the attackers. One of the lessons of the 2004 Russain school massacre, as outlined in John Giduck's excellent book, "Terror at Beslan" is that we must attack immediately, with maximum violence, and no intention of pulling back or giving up ground. Attack the enemy hard and fast and DESTROY them before they destroy more innocents.

    Make a Plan

    Since very little innovative thinking occurs under combat conditions, we must plan and train for the next fight before we’re in it. Rapid Deployment tactics are a prime example. Some have criticized the actions of the police responders at Columbine, yet no police agency in the country had ever anticipated a school attack of that magnitude ... until it happened. The responders at Columbine reacted as they had been trained and, quite frankly, the complications of that incident might not have allowed a significantly different response irregardless of their training.

    Most schools and response agencies now strongly recommend a policy of “lockdown.” When we consider how both fire alarms and bomb threats have been used to evacuate victims into the “kill zone” of a prepared outside ambush, perhaps a lockdown is the best initial response to any school threat. Lockdown drills, like fire drills, are now mandated for schools in some states.

    Pre-plan your site. Staging Areas, Command Post locations and Reunification Sites should be pre-determined. All resources scheduled to respond to your school should be part of periodic drills ... actual hands-on drills, not tabletop exercises.

    Choose and Train your People Well

    Armed security in your school will go far to deter an attack, but if an attack comes, these officers may be the first to be targeted. So, we need a certain type of officer as a School Resource Officer (SRO). At the risk of insulting some, we must state a fact. Some officers are assigned to schools because they are ineffective on the street. Choose your best officers to protect your most valuable property ... your children. SROs must be intelligent, alert, inquisitive and congenial, yet be ready to shift into “combat mode” in an instant. We need “sheepdogs” to protect our “lambs.” Warriors, not wimps guarding our children.

    Train your SROs to respond effectively to a threat either alone or as a two-officer team, joining up with the first arriving patrol officer. Consider the controversial option of pre-positioning protective gear and a carbine for these officers in a secure on-site location. We owe these guardians the best survival odds we can provide.

    Train Rapid Deployment techniques to the rest of your department. This training should be as stressful and realistic as possible including difficult surroundings, live role players and paintball-type gunfight simulations. Team training must be refreshed at least annually to maintain these perishable skills.

    Train your first-line supervisors to quickly take command at a school violence incident. The supervisor’s first duty is to conduct a rapid problem assessment and sort through the confusing flood of initial intelligence. Their quick analysis of the situation will drive a hasty risk assessment to determine if a response by a single officer or Rapid Deployment team has a chance to reach and neutralize an active shooter. In most cases, we must take immediate action to stop the killing. However, if the on-scene commander identifies a situation like Beslan, with numerous, heavily armed attackers, a delaying action may be the best he can achieve with limited resources. Adding responder bodies to the pile in a noble, yet futile gesture may make the problem even worse.

    Stay Vigilant

    Once you scale up your school security preparations and response plans, keep them current. Motivate your people to stay sharp and be alert. School attacks, like other violent crimes, tend to ebb and flow in their frequency. We are all shocked back to a high state of awareness after an attack occurs, but the calm periods may require even more vigilance. Our enemies use the lulls to conduct reconnaissance and plan their moves. Remember the DETER and DETECT aspects of our Five “D”s.

    The situation is very much like fire protection. The probability of a student being killed or seriously injured by violence is significantly greater than the probability of being killed or seriously injured by fire. No child has been killed by school fire in North America in over a quarter of a century, but in the 2004/2005 school year, 48 people were murdered in American schools. These are usually random acts of violence, or shootings by students as opposed to acts of terrorism, but the defense against terrorist attacks in our schools, as outlined in this article, is largely the same as the defense against school shootings.

    Thus, our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed by violence than fire, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured by violence as compared to fire. Yet, in any school you can look around and see fire sprinklers, smoke alarms, fire exits, and fire extinguishers. If we can spend all that money and time preparing for fire (and we should, since every life is precious) shouldn't we spend time and money preparing for the thing that is far more likely to kill or injure a child?

    The most negligent, unprofessional, obscene words anyone can ever say are: "It will never happen here." When someone asks, "Do you really think there will be a terrorist act or a school shooting here?" Just point to the fire exit and say, "Do you really think there will be a fire here?” No, we don't think there will ever be a fire here. But we would be morally, criminally negligent if we did not prepare for the possibility. And the same is far, far truer of school violence."

    About a month after the 9-11 terrorist attacks Col. Grossman was training a group of special operations troops who were headed to Afghanistan. A Special Forces (Green Beret) sergeant came up during one of the breaks and said, "Colonel, we're going to Afghanistan, and we're gonna kick their tails. While we're over there, you tell all those folks you teach, don't let them come kill our kids."

    Our servicemen are over there dying for us every day, trying to keep the terrorists on the defense, or as one Marine put it, "To keep it ta hell over there!" The troops believe in what they are doing, and they only ask one thing: "Watch my back and do your job ... don't let them come kill my kids." THAT is what this article is about, and THAT is what WE should be about.

    Every day, millions of parents hug millions of kids, their most precious possessions, and send those kids to school, trusting US to keep them alive. So don't just read this article and the books recommended here(2), apply them! Be like the firefighter: put the risk in perspective, pray that it will never happen, know that it COULD happen, and work with all your heart and soul to prevent it from happening.

    It could be YOUR child or grandchild's life that you save.

    (1) Report: “Rapid Deployment as a response to an Active Shooter Incident,” Illinois State Police Academy, 2003.

    (2) Michael and Chris Dorn's book "Innocent Targets" is required reading for those who would like more information on terrorist attacks on schools in many nations. For more in depth information about the most recent and horrific school massacre in Beslan, Russia, John Giduck's definitive book, "Terror at Beslan" is essential reading.
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    2 Students Shot At Deer Creek Middle School - CO

    Oh crap, here we go again. This one appears to be off the wall random.

    2 Students Shot At Deer Creek Middle School - Denver News Story - KMGH Denver

    LITTLETON, Colo. -- Two students were shot Tuesday afternoon at Deer Creek Middle School, officials said.

    The Jefferson County Sheriff's Office said the suspected shooter has been arrested. A well-placed source told CALL7 Investigators the suspect is Bruco Eastwood, 32. It's unclear if Eastwood has any affiliation with the school. He likely will face two counts of attempted murder.

    Witnesses said the gunman was tackled by math teacher David Benke as he apparently attempted to reload his high-powered rifle.

    A parent who saw the incident told 7NEWS that the gunman kept mumbling to himself, "I'm fighting for freedom. I'm fighting for freedom," as he was being taken down.

    "He looked like he was looking around for somebody to shoot," Steve Potter, a bus driver, told 7NEWS.

    Students were being dismissed for the day when the shots were fired at about 3:05 p.m.

    "We have two victims, both juveniles," said Mark Techmeyer, spokesman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office. "They're both shot."

    Benke said he was on parking lot duty, handling the crosswalk, when he heard a noise that sounded like a firecracker going off in a trash can. Benke told 7NEWS he turned around and saw a man with a rifle.

    "Unfortunately, he got another round off before I could grab him," Benke said.

    "He had a bolt-action rifle and he was trying to rack another round, and I knew he couldn't get another round in before I got to him and so I grabbed him," Benke said.

    Both victims were transported to a local hospital. They are Reagen Webber and Matt Thieu. Thieu was the most seriously injured and was taken immediately into surgery, said Cindy Mathews, spokeswoman for the West Metro Fire District. He is reported to be in critical condition. Webber also underwent surgery and was released Tuesday night.

    "Neither of the injuries appears to be life-threatening," Mathews said.

    Webber was shot in the forearm and ran into a school bathroom to take cover, according to the brother of a student who was standing with the victims. Thieu was shot in the calf as he was running toward the street, the brother said. The brother said the gunman asked a group of friends if they went to the school, then shot the two who answered.

    Techmeyer said he believed one victim was found inside the school and one outside.

    The school was put on lockdown, and deputies swept the campus to make sure there were no additional suspects. There were no additional injuries.

    The victims did not appear to be specifically targeted, Jacki Kelley, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office said Tuesday night. Eastwood was in the school for a "very brief time" prior to the shooting, Kelley said. He spoke with school staff, but Kelley didn't say what the conversation was about.

    "There is some indication the suspect was at the school prior to today," Kelley said. "There was a brief amount of time that he was in the school, and that was prior to the shootings."

    It's likely that Eastwood did not have a weapon when he was inside the school because staff did not call police.

    It's unclear when Eastwood was at the school before Tuesday's shootings. He will make his first court appearance Wednesday morning.

    In a brief interview with 7NEWS on Tuesday night, Eastwood's father apologized for his son.

    "I know he's done wrong," the father said. "He also needs help."

    Anna Stolle, a seventh-grader at the school, said she was standing outside the school after classes let out for the day when she saw the shooter at the front of the school, near the office area.

    "He had a rifle," Stolle said. "I saw him walking with the rifle. He took his rifle and shot a kid. I took off running, and he shot again. I was really scared."

    Stolle said the gunman looked like a high-school student and was someone she did not recognize. She said the shooter was wearing a black beanie cap and Army-type pants and boots.

    "I was just like completely shocked and scared," Stolle said. "I didn't want to get hurt, and I didn't want anyone else to get hurt."

    Another student, an eighth-grader, said students were boarding the buses after school when the shooting happened. Madison said she was talking to her friends on the bus when she heard two shots.

    "They told us to get down, and we just laid down on the floor of the bus," said Madison, whose mother asked that her last name not be used.

    [Dr. David Benke is pictured on a Facebook page calling him a "hero" after he tackled the suspected gunman at Deer Creek Middle School.]
    Dr. David Benke is pictured on a Facebook page calling him a "hero" after he tackled the suspected gunman at Deer Creek Middle School. More
    After the shots were fired, teachers came running out of the school and tackled the gunman, Madison said.

    Benke tackled the gunman, and other staff members reportedly helped hold him down. Benke said he and teacher Norm Hanne "were on the ground with the guy and basically we were trying to get the guy to calm down after that because he was struggling. Norm was on top and I was kind of wrapped around him."

    Potter, the bus driver, said staff tied the suspect's legs with zip-ties provided by a parent.

    "He's the real hero," Potter said of Benke. "All the credit goes to him."

    Potter said students were boarding his bus when "we heard a loud bang. We thought it was probably an M-80 or some type of a firecracker. It was very loud. The kids started to scream."

    That's when Potter said he saw the gunman.

    "I told my students to get down, so they would be out of sight of this guy," he said.

    Madison said she did not recognize the gunman, but he looked like an adult.

    "He had one of those big guns. It looks like the kind you kill deer with," Madison said. "Everyone was running away. It was so freaky.

    "The people on the bus were crying. Everyone was so scared. People were calling their parents."

    Madison said the buses pulled away with students on them as sheriff's deputies and firefighters arrived.

    "It doesn't really seem real," she said.

    Ty McGee, 14, who attends D'Evelyn Junior/Senior High School but catches the bus at Deer Creek, said he was sitting on a bench outside the school when he was approached by the gunman about 15 minutes before the shooting.

    McGee said the gunman had not yet donned his cap and sunglasses and did not have a gun.

    The gunman asked McGee and a friend if they went to school at Deer Creek, McGee said. When the two said, "No," the suspected gunman said, "Oh," and walked away.

    McGee said the bell had rung, and he had boarded the bus when he heard the shots and recognized the gunman. McGee got off the bus and ran.

    The gunman was disarmed before deputies arrived, Kelley said.

    Sheriff Ted Mink said school personnel "acted very heroically" and likely prevented further injuries with their quick actions to subdue the gunman.

    "I think his intent was to go into the school and fire more rounds," Mink said.

    Cindy Stevenson, superintendent of Jeffco Public Schools, said Deer Creek only has one door for an entrance. "We keep the doors locked," she said.

    Kelley said school staff "did an amazing job."

    "It could have been so much worse," Kelley said.

    Benke was almost instantly embraced as a hero. His bio on the school's Web site says Benke is the father of twins and once worked as a door-to-door Bible salesman. While working that job, Benke had a 12-gauge double-barrel shotgun pointed at him through a screen door when he called on a house in Woolwine, Va. In 1996, Benke was a finalist for Colorado's Teacher of the Year.

    Shortly after the shooting, someone launched a Facebook page, "Dr. Benke Is A Hero!!!!" By 9 p.m. Tuesday, the page had more than 5,100 fans.

    "Sometimes people are in the right place at the right time but don't have the courage and bravery to do the right thing. Thank God you did!" a woman wrote on the page.

    "Thank you so much for keeping our kids safe," another woman wrote. "You saved lives today and we all love and appreciate you!!"

    The school is located at 9201 W. Columbine Drive, near South Kipling Street and West Ken Caryl Avenue, in Littleton.

    Students are being taken to nearby Stony Creek Elementary school. Parents were asked to go to Stony Creek to pick up their children.

    Jefferson County Public Schools officials sent an emergency message to parents, saying "All other students are accounted for and safe." District officials said a crisis team is in place, working with the sheriff's office.

    Both Deer Creek Middle School and Stony Creek Elementary School will be closed on Wednesday. Jeffco counselors will be available, starting at 7:30 a.m., at Stony Creek, 7203 S. Everett St.

    Providing we can actually get any accurate info out of the media that is not structured out of stirring up the panic. There are three articles on the above link home page. They all seem to be filler due to lack of any actual info.

    Good for the fast thinking math teacher. Did what needed to be done.

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    But wait...there was a law....and a sign! How did these bad things happen if we have laws and signs that say "no guns"?

    Another shooting and no one to shoot back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandBob View Post
    Gun Free zones are nothing more than Target Rich environments.

    Anyone that dosent understand that aint too smart.
    I like/use the expression "Unarmed Victim Zones."
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    That teacher is a true hero....
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    I was not intending to suggest otherwise.
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    I checked out CNN's coverage. The Link follows below. I checked out the comments and everyone assumed the guy is white. I haven't seen a picture yet so I don't know. The story copied a few posts above gives the suspects name but not his whole name.
    School shooting suspect identified -
    CNN has it as follows:
    (CNN) -- The man suspected of shooting two students at a Littleton, Colorado, middle school was identified as 32-year-old Bruco Strongeagle Eastwood, authorities said Wednesday.
    With a name like that he may be Native American or from that lineage as this is Colorado. maybe a dispute over tribal differences?

    From the story Sticks listed a few posts above, someone described him as wearing a "black beanie, army pants and boots". Isn't that the U.S. Army uniform? For all we know, just like Ft. Hood, it could be another disgruntled serviceman that finally snapped for some reason.

    It pisses me off when people assume that if it is a mass-murder or multiple shooting it has to be a white guy. I thought between Cho at Va tech, Ft. Hood and the Vegas courthouse shooting we had dispelled that myth. It is just as wrong as me assuming a robbery was committed by a black person.
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    I was not intending to suggest otherwise.
    Did not think you were, sir. I always enjoy your posts and insights and would never think you were trying to indicate otherwise. I just wanted to recognize his efforts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BurgDog View Post
    Of course it is a good thing and I am 100% for arming teachers in schools. I just don't like to see people think of guns as a panacea - bad things will still happen, all we can do is mitigate the damage when it does.
    I agree with you absolutely! The brain is the #1 defensive weapon we have. If you don't use it, it does not matter how many guns you will be useless in a fight. Simply having a gun will never fix any problem. If you know when and how to use it, however, having it becomes a pretty important factor!
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    It seems as though the teacher who tackled the gunman has at least some knowledge of firearms. He recognized the rifle as a bolt action and not an evil assault rifle. That knowledge provided him opportunity to get to the gunmen before he was able to fire again. He's a true hero who was able to think and act at the same time.

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    Time Line of Worldwide School Shootings
    The following table lists the worldwide school shootings from 1996 to the present. Find the date, location, and a short description of each incident.

    Feb. 2, 1996
    Moses Lake, Wash. Two students and one teacher killed, one other wounded when 14-year-old Barry Loukaitis opened fire on his algebra class.
    March 13, 1996
    Dunblane, Scotland 16 children and one teacher killed at Dunblane Primary School by Thomas Hamilton, who then killed himself. 10 others wounded in attack.
    Feb. 19, 1997
    Bethel, Alaska Principal and one student killed, two others wounded by Evan Ramsey, 16.
    March 1997
    Sanaa, Yemen Eight people (six students and two others) at two schools killed by Mohammad Ahman al-Naziri.
    Oct. 1, 1997
    Pearl, Miss. Two students killed and seven wounded by Luke Woodham, 16, who was also accused of killing his mother. He and his friends were said to be outcasts who worshiped Satan.
    Dec. 1, 1997
    West Paducah, Ky. Three students killed, five wounded by Michael Carneal, 14, as they participated in a prayer circle at Heath High School.
    Dec. 15, 1997
    Stamps, Ark. Two students wounded. Colt Todd, 14, was hiding in the woods when he shot the students as they stood in the parking lot.
    March 24, 1998
    Jonesboro, Ark. Four students and one teacher killed, ten others wounded outside as Westside Middle School emptied during a false fire alarm. Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, shot at their classmates and teachers from the woods.
    April 24, 1998
    Edinboro, Pa. One teacher, John Gillette, killed, two students wounded at a dance at James W. Parker Middle School. Andrew Wurst, 14, was charged.
    May 19, 1998
    Fayetteville, Tenn. One student killed in the parking lot at Lincoln County High School three days before he was to graduate. The victim was dating the ex-girlfriend of his killer, 18-year-old honor student Jacob Davis.
    May 21, 1998
    Springfield, Ore. Two students killed, 22 others wounded in the cafeteria at Thurston High School by 15-year-old Kip Kinkel. Kinkel had been arrested and released a day earlier for bringing a gun to school. His parents were later found dead at home.
    June 15, 1998
    Richmond, Va. One teacher and one guidance counselor wounded by a 14-year-old boy in the school hallway.
    April 20, 1999
    Littleton, Colo. 14 students (including killers) and one teacher killed, 23 others wounded at Columbine High School in the nation's deadliest school shooting. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, had plotted for a year to kill at least 500 and blow up their school. At the end of their hour-long rampage, they turned their guns on themselves.
    April 28, 1999
    Taber, Alberta, Canada One student killed, one wounded at W. R. Myers High School in first fatal high school shooting in Canada in 20 years. The suspect, a 14-year-old boy, had dropped out of school after he was severely ostracized by his classmates.
    May 20, 1999
    Conyers, Ga. Six students injured at Heritage High School by Thomas Solomon, 15, who was reportedly depressed after breaking up with his girlfriend.
    Nov. 19, 1999
    Deming, N.M. Victor Cordova Jr., 12, shot and killed Araceli Tena, 13, in the lobby of Deming Middle School.
    Dec. 6, 1999
    Fort Gibson, Okla. Four students wounded as Seth Trickey, 13, opened fire with a 9mm semiautomatic handgun at Fort Gibson Middle School.
    Dec. 7, 1999
    Veghel, Netherlands One teacher and three students wounded by a 17-year-old student.
    Feb. 29, 2000
    Mount Morris Township, Mich. Six-year-old Kayla Rolland shot dead at Buell Elementary School near Flint, Mich. The assailant was identified as a six-year-old boy with a .32-caliber handgun.
    March 2000
    Branneburg, Germany One teacher killed by a 15-year-old student, who then shot himself. The shooter has been in a coma ever since.
    March 10, 2000
    Savannah, Ga. Two students killed by Darrell Ingram, 19, while leaving a dance sponsored by Beach High School.
    May 26, 2000
    Lake Worth, Fla. One teacher, Barry Grunow, shot and killed at Lake Worth Middle School by Nate Brazill, 13, with .25-caliber semiautomatic pistol on the last day of classes.
    Sept. 26, 2000
    New Orleans, La. Two students wounded with the same gun during a fight at Woodson Middle School.
    Jan. 17, 2001
    Baltimore, Md. One student shot and killed in front of Lake Clifton Eastern High School.
    Jan. 18, 2001
    Jan, Sweden One student killed by two boys, ages 17 and 19.
    March 5, 2001
    Santee, Calif. Two killed and 13 wounded by Charles Andrew Williams, 15, firing from a bathroom at Santana High School.
    March 7, 2001
    Williamsport, Pa. Elizabeth Catherine Bush, 14, wounded student Kimberly Marchese in the cafeteria of Bishop Neumann High School; she was depressed and frequently teased.
    March 22, 2001
    Granite Hills, Calif. One teacher and three students wounded by Jason Hoffman, 18, at Granite Hills High School. A policeman shot and wounded Hoffman.
    March 30, 2001
    Gary, Ind. One student killed by Donald R. Burt, Jr., a 17-year-old student who had been expelled from Lew Wallace High School.
    Nov. 12, 2001
    Caro, Mich. Chris Buschbacher, 17, took two hostages at the Caro Learning Center before killing himself.
    Jan. 15, 2002
    New York, N.Y. A teenager wounded two students at Martin Luther King Jr. High School.
    Feb. 19, 2002
    Freising, Germany Two killed in Eching by a man at the factory from which he had been fired; he then traveled to Freising and killed the headmaster of the technical school from which he had been expelled. He also wounded another teacher before killing himself.
    April 26, 2002
    Erfurt, Germany 13 teachers, two students, and one policeman killed, ten wounded by Robert Steinhaeuser, 19, at the Johann Gutenberg secondary school. Steinhaeuser then killed himself.
    April 29, 2002
    Vlasenica, Bosnia-Herzegovina One teacher killed, one wounded by Dragoslav Petkovic, 17, who then killed himself.
    October 28, 2002
    Tucson, Ariz. Robert S. Flores Jr., 41, a student at the nursing school at the University of Arizona, shot and killed three female professors and then himself.
    April 14, 2003
    New Orleans, La. One 15-year-old killed, and three students wounded at John McDonogh High School by gunfire from four teenagers (none were students at the school). The motive was gang-related.
    April 24, 2003
    Red Lion, Pa. James Sheets, 14, killed principal Eugene Segro of Red Lion Area Junior High School before killing himself.
    Sept. 24, 2003
    Cold Spring, Minn. Two students are killed at Rocori High School by John Jason McLaughlin, 15.
    Sept. 28, 2004
    Carmen de Patagones, Argentina Three students killed and 6 wounded by a 15-year-old Argentininan student in a town 620 miles south of Buenos Aires.
    March 21, 2005
    Red Lake, Minn. Jeff Weise, 16, killed grandfather and companion, then arrived at school where he killed a teacher, a security guard, 5 students, and finally himself, leaving a total of 10 dead.
    Nov. 8, 2005
    Jacksboro, Tenn. One 15-year-old shot and killed an assistant principal at Campbell County High School and seriously wounded two other administrators.
    Aug. 24, 2006
    Essex, Vt. Christopher Williams, 27, looking for his ex-girlfriend at Essex Elementary School, shot two teachers, killing one and wounding another. Before going to the school, he had killed the ex-girlfriend's mother.
    Sept. 13, 2006
    Montreal, Canada Kimveer Gill, 25, opened fire with a semiautomatic weapon at Dawson College. Anastasia De Sousa, 18, died and more than a dozen students and faculty were wounded before Gill killed himself.
    Sept. 27, 2006
    Bailey, Colo. Adult male held six students hostage at Platte Canyon High School and then shot and killed Emily Keyes, 16, and himself.
    Sept. 29, 2006
    Cazenovia, Wis. A 15-year-old student shot and killed Weston School principal John Klang.
    Oct. 3, 2006
    Nickel Mines, Pa. 32-year-old Carl Charles Roberts IV entered the one-room West Nickel Mines Amish School and shot 10 schoolgirls, ranging in age from 6 to 13 years old, and then himself. Five of the girls and Roberts died.
    Jan. 3, 2007
    Tacoma, Wash. Douglas Chanthabouly, 18, shot fellow student Samnang Kok, 17, in the hallway of Henry Foss High School.
    April 16, 2007
    Blacksburg, Va. A 23-year-old Virginia Tech student, Cho Seung-Hui, killed two in a dorm, then killed 30 more 2 hours later in a classroom building. His suicide brought the death toll to 33, making the shooting rampage the most deadly in U.S. history. Fifteen others were wounded.
    Sept. 21, 2007
    Dover, Del. A Delaware State Univesity Freshman, Loyer D. Brandon, shot and wounded two other Freshman students on the University campus. Brandon is being charged with attempted murder, assault, reckless engagement, as well as a gun charge.
    Oct. 10, 2007
    Cleveland, Ohio A 14-year-old student at a Cleveland high school, Asa H. Coon, shot and injured two students and two teachers before he shot and killed himself. The victims' injuries were not life-threatening.
    Nov. 7, 2007
    Tuusula, Finland An 18-year-old student in southern Finland shot and killed five boys, two girls, and the female principal at Jokela High School. At least 10 others were injured. The gunman shot himself and died from his wounds in the hospital.
    Feb. 8, 2008
    Baton Rouge, Louisiana A nursing student shot and killed two women and then herself in a classroom at Louisiana Technical College in Baton Rouge.
    Feb. 11, 2008
    Memphis, Tennessee A 17-year-old student at Mitchell High School shot and wounded a classmate in gym class.
    Feb. 12, 2008
    Oxnard, California A 14-year-old boy shot a student at E.O. Green Junior High School causing the 15-year-old victim to be brain dead.
    Feb. 14, 2008
    DeKalb, Illinois Gunman killed five students and then himself, and wounded 17 more when he opened fire on a classroom at Northern Illinois University. The gunman, Stephen P. Kazmierczak, was identified as a former graduate student at the university in 2007.
    Sept. 23, 2008
    Kauhajoki, Finland A 20-year-old male student shot and killed at least nine students and himself at a vocational college in Kauhajok, 330km (205 miles) north of the capital, Helsinki.
    Nov. 12, 2008
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida A 15-year-old female student was shot and killed by a classmate at at Dillard High School in Fort Lauderdale.
    March 11, 2009
    Winnenden, Germany Fifteen people were shot and killed at Albertville Technical High School in southwestern Germany by a 17-year-old boy who attended the same school.
    See also Milestones in Federal Gun Control Legislation.
    Sources: Newspaper reports.

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    Im sick and tired of these bad guys bringing guns in a "gun free" zone. Respect the sign!!

    That teacher is a true hero. Thank God for people like him.
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    "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms . . . disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes . . . Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
    --Thomas Jefferson

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    The Huff Post is reporting that this Strongeagle guy is a drop-out with a rap-sheet who "hear voices". So all this crap about "we need more gun control" goes out the window. He had illegal access to a gun - same as if guns were outlawed.
    One Man's Trash is another Man's Wife.
    A gun is like an abortion. When you are unprotected and get surprised, you always want one.

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    Just read an article with some quotes from the teacher who tackled the shooter. The teacher seemed to know a lot about guns judging by some of his quotes:

    "I saw that the guy had a rifle and then, unfortunately, he got another round off. I was walking towards him and then I realized that it was a bolt action rifle and that he wasn't going to be able to load quickly enough, and so I grabbed him," Benke said.

    "What I noticed was that he was trying to manipulate the action of the rifle and that I had time to grab him before he could get another shot off. I didn't even think about whether he had a pistol or anything like that.

    Heroic Teacher Describes Tackling Shooter -

    I'm wondering if he is a gun-owner. Most non-gun-owners don't know terms like bolt action, "get a round off", etc.
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