Boy, 10, accidentally kills brother with father's gun after visit to post office

This is a discussion on Boy, 10, accidentally kills brother with father's gun after visit to post office within the In the News: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Originally Posted by MattInFla USPS bears absolutely no blame here - the father negligently left his firearm unsecured where a child could access it. It's ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattInFla View Post
    USPS bears absolutely no blame here - the father negligently left his firearm unsecured where a child could access it. It's not an accident, it is criminally culpable negligence.

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    Yep...

    Makes me want to scream "wake up people!"....

    I'll take it a step further by saying the father was lazy for not going back and getting what he needed from the vehicle himself...knowing there was a loaded firearm in the vehicle.

    Moron....
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    Very heart breaking to read. However the real lesson here IMO is to teach your kids about gun saftey!
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    The surviving boy has lost his brother and will now lose his father also.

    Sad......
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    Quote Originally Posted by SIXTO View Post
    ...and I don't see where the father implicates fault to the USPS.
    Yes, I agree he didn't blame USPS, but he did state the following: "I'm far from careless,'' & "It was an accident.''

    Not true - It was careless. Terrible and sad story.

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    Is the father at fault? Yes.

    Could accidental deaths be avoided by eliminating no-carry zones? DEFINITELY.

    Requiring people to repeatedly arm and disarm, while the carrier remains responsible for the consequences, is still a recipe for mistakes and tragedy.
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    He didn't think to lock it in the glove box?

    For federal buildings like the post office I tend to not go in. With stuff like stamps.com and the mail boxes outside USPS building I no longer have a reason to. For larger packages I use UPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GWRedDragon View Post
    Is the father at fault? Yes.

    Could accidental deaths be avoided by eliminating no-carry zones? DEFINITELY.

    Requiring people to repeatedly arm and disarm, while the carrier remains responsible for the consequences, is still a recipe for mistakes and tragedy.
    Well said, Red Dragon!!

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    In the truck was a 40-caliber Glock pistol that Reddick had left in the vehicle's console.

    Reddick has a concealed weapon permit for the gun, police said.

    Reddick said he heard news reports late Saturday that suggested he was careless with the weapon.

    ``I'm far from careless,'' he said. ``It was an accident.''
    That's called refusal to take responsibility for your actions, right there.

    What an utterly avoidable tragedy.

    The child's firing of the gun was unintended, like as not. It's unlikely he intended to kill his own brother.

    However, the father's leaving of the loaded gun in control of children was, by any definition, the key circumstance that allowed for the firearm to be misused, and the key circumstance that caused a child to die.

    Careless ... reckless ... devoid of consideration or thought for the safety of others ... yeah, that pretty much covers it. Those ARE the words for it, absolutely.

    Failure to control your firearm in a situation when it's absolutely impossible to suggest that the children wouldn't have control of that firearm. Result?

    1. Dead child.

    2. Remaining brother will have to live with the fact that he killed his own brother for the rest of his life.

    3. The father will have to live with the fact that his actions directly contributed to the killing of his own child.

    4. The father will have to explain to others how the child died, when they ask, for the rest of his life. Even if he fudges on the answer, he won't escape the reality.

    5. His spouse and family are unlikely to be comfortable with the fact of his irresponsibility. That will cause a bit of strain in those relationships. Divorce? Worse? Perhaps.

    6. The legal and financial ramifications are just getting started.


    Requiring people to repeatedly arm and disarm, while the carrier remains responsible for the consequences, is still a recipe for mistakes and tragedy.
    Absolutely. By eliminating such zones, it's certain that more people are protected, fewer people will be futzing with their firearms in such an area, and almost certain that the area will see a reduction in the number of criminals and crimes.


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    It's a good reminder to us all, as owners of firearms.

    1. Don't ever leave control of our firearms in the hands of another, unless it's known for certain that person is competent with handling of them and appropriate for handling of them.

    2. Don't allow an unattended firearm to get into the hands of untrained children at any time.

    3. No amount of insurance is going to cover the ramifications of such actions. Not in this lifetime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm's signature
    Your best weapon is your brain. Don't leave home without it.
    ^^ Take note ya'll^^
    There is something about firing 4,200 thirty millimeter rounds/min that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tag View Post
    Bottom line is HE didn't have control over HIS loaded weapon.
    Bingo.

    Negligence.

    I literally just walked in the door from a visit to a local USPS.
    I'd parked my car off their grounds at an adjacent business. Removed all of my arms (gun, spare ammo, OC/CS and knife) and placed them all into a _locking_ bank deposit security bag. I then placed that into my _locked_ trunk.
    I then walked across a grass median onto Federal property to subsequently enter the USPS and ship off a product.
    Exit USPS and reverse my steps re-arming myself as in the car before driving away.

    Sadly very much avoidable this was.
    Now four lives are directly ruined (both sons, father and mother) because one man could not think to act right. :(

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    When I disarm before entering the post office,I leave my holster on since carrying a holster isn't against the law,as soon as I'm back on the road I reholster,when I go to the VA clinic I lock my gun and spare mags up and still wear my holster inside,once I leave I reholster,how somebody just leaves a gun unsecured in a vehicle and forgets about it , is absurd.
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    Ok, what am I missing from this story ?

    Go for hat & coat, and somehow one of them is accidentally shot from a gun that's "in" the console.

    I have taught my 10-13 yr old grandkids to shoot and how to safely handle a gun. They also will not touch a gun that they are not in the act of shooting themselves. And, not leaving it in the console would have been the best and obvious prevention.

    I was a Scout leader of 2 brothers, where one accidentally shot the other at home (one of them was handing a loaded shotgun to the other, it dropped as the one did not have a good hold on it, and they both grabbed for it) and their father was an LEO. It's a terrible thing for the family, friends, etc. to all go thru. This father and son that is alive , will have a very hard time living with this one the rest of their life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razor02097 View Post
    He didn't think to lock it in the glove box?
    He did. I don't think he is so much to blame. He secured it out of sight where they should not have been messing with. They were sent to get a coat off of a seat, not a gun out of the glove box, meaning they disobeyed and went searching. Likely they had seen him put it there before and knew what they were doing.

    left in the vehicle's console.

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    No excuses for lack of personal responsibility in this truly sad incident.
    The father's lack of attention, but for a moment, to his firearm safety will haunt him and many others, for the rest of their lives.
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    One reason that i dont keep one in the pipe----unless I am in what i perceive as a threat area. in saying that, i know many of you all live in a constant threat area. But i practice racking pointing and firing, not knocking yall who keep one in the pipe that are extremely careful with your weapon...Its just my personal preference . even with no round chambered this could have still happened, it only takes one mistake for this to happen and im a so sorry that he made it ....its just a terrible tragedy prayers go out to him and his family.
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