Bad : Insanity defense prevails in Burnsville beheading case

Bad : Insanity defense prevails in Burnsville beheading case

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    Insanity defense prevails in Burnsville beheading case

    A judge found Stephen R. Miles not guilty, saying he did not realize he'd killed his stepmother in 2005. He will remain at the Minnesota Security Hospital in St. Peter.

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    According to the 23-page ruling, Miles had been diagnosed in 1998 with "extreme paranoia." By 2005, his mental condition had worsened to a point where he wore a metal pot on his head for fear that a listening device had been implanted in his tooth and could be used to drag him through the roof with an electromagnet.

    When he killed his stepmother, he not only beheaded her after striking her in the head with a hatchet, Messerich wrote, but then also put the head in a dishwasher. He had thought the head could be reattached, authorities say, and expressed surprise later that his stepmother had died.
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    sounds like he really was insane; i guess you'd have to be, to do that to someone. tragic.

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    Hm. If folks can't comprehend how anyone could have done such a thing, then you get off.

    Some judges just don't get it.
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    I'd buy it too.
    Clearly he's nut as based on his acts as stated, and beliefs prior.

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    Since he didn't know what he did, he should have no problems with working in the hospital's commercial kitchen...dishwashing section...for the rest of his life.
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    He's still locked up. Hopefully forever.
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    Of all places, the dishwasher.

    You ever watch the CSI type investigator shows and think, "that doesn't happen.. that's just absurd."

    Well, looks like that crazy crap definately happens..
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    There actually IS such a thing as insanity; a brain that is biochemically flawed in such a way as to separate the person from what we all normally consider "reality." Is this guy insane? I wouldn't know until I went to med school, mastered psychology, and then had a look at his medical records. I'm hoping that someone involved in the case did this before a judgement was rendered.

    Schizophrenics can become exceptionally violent and deadly. This isn't the same as some gang-banging punk thug who beats an old woman to death in her own home for "street cred" or thrills. I have a sense of pity for those who have a genuine mental illness, but at the moment of truth--in the midst of a violent act--my response to both the schizo and the gang-banger will be the same.
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    Insanity defense = ward of the state until he gets "better". The possibility of recidivism if released...>50%

    Death penalty....ward of the state until the system finds his vein. The possibility of recidivism = 0
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    If you really are insane, I have to see that as a valid defense.

    Now, doctors and judges should also err heavily on the side of caution when it comes time to consider the release of someone like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jumpwing View Post
    There actually IS such a thing as insanity; a brain that is biochemically flawed in such a way as to separate the person from what we all normally consider "reality." Is this guy insane? I wouldn't know until I went to med school, mastered psychology, and then had a look at his medical records. I'm hoping that someone involved in the case did this before a judgement was rendered.
    I haven't been to grad school yet but I'm almost done with the BA part of my psychology studies. To use the insanity plea an individual is seen by multiple psychologists. They are put through a series of tests and interviews. Also, there has to be a prior documented history of mental illness. There are additional steps but from what I understand it has to be shown that the individual did not know that what they were doing was wrong at the time of their crime. (Someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this)

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    Quote Originally Posted by SIGguy229 View Post
    Insanity defense = ward of the state until he gets "better". The possibility of recidivism if released...>50%

    Death penalty....ward of the state until the system finds his vein. The possibility of recidivism = 0
    Exactly. There should be no insanity defense IMO. If recidivism rate is that bad, then lock them up for life, no parole, solitary or institution if desired. Or put them down like a diseased animal like your run of the mill Death Row candidate. Is either one less dangerous really? Whether they "know" what they do is wrong or not, it's still murder.

    Sure you can feel bad for the insane ones, but if they can't be cured and trusted, NO WAY do I want them loose in society.

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    hopefully the guy stays in a straight jacket forever... no crayons, no macaroni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rustynuts View Post
    Exactly. There should be no insanity defense IMO. If recidivism rate is that bad, then lock them up for life, no parole, solitary or institution if desired. Or put them down like a diseased animal like your run of the mill Death Row candidate. Is either one less dangerous really? Whether they "know" what they do is wrong or not, it's still murder.

    Sure you can feel bad for the insane ones, but if they can't be cured and trusted, NO WAY do I want them loose in society.
    schizophrenia (most types, anyway) can't be cured, but can usually be controlled with medication. the biggest problems with medications is that they work so well in controlling the symptoms, the individuals cease having any, think they're cured and don't need the meds anymore, and stop taking their medications.

    it's a pretty bad cycle. many people need supervision taking their meds. it's a shame, because for the most part, when they're getting treatment, they're no different than anyone else. when they're sick, they really have no control of what they do.

    what this guy did was horrifying, there's no doubt about that. but if he's truly schizophrenic, then you really can't hold him at fault.

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