Snake ID please.

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    Snake ID please.

    Need a little help gang,found this snake on the steps to the house tonight,but I am having trouble putting a name on it.It shook its tail,bit at the hoe and was about 14 inches long and about .45 to .50 caliber. BTW local is eastern NC
    thanks in advance.
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    Juvenile Rat Snake.

    Don't kill him, unless he's trying to get inside a chicken coup.
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    Hehe...was it this forum where we argued over the rattlesnake identification, which turned out to be something else? I have no idea, let him go as they eat rodents.
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    Thanks Patti, my snake book only has pics of adults.
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    Patti nailed it. It's a juvenile Black Rat Snake ( Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta). In a year or two, it will be a glossy black. Wonderful snakes.

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    Bingo! Very pleased to hear that the knee jerk reaction isn't to kill it. I love them!

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    Any snake except a poisonous snake is welcome around here. They are really fun to watch and nice to have around. We have mostly black and hog nose where I am.
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    Snakes are around because their food is around. Let him get dinner and he will move on. I had a python for close to 16yrs, they are great pets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patti View Post
    Juvenile Rat Snake.

    Don't kill him, unless he's trying to get inside a chicken coup.
    I don't know. Check that head, diamond shape, looks like pits on the side of the head. I'm going with venomous, some type of pit viper. I can't put a name to it. And the I can't get a good look at the tail. But the head shape concerns me. The rat's have a less pronounced diamond shape in the pics I found.

    Next time get really close so you can see if he has vertical pupils. Look into his eyes!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefjason View Post
    I don't know. Check that head, diamond shape, looks like pits on the side of the head. I'm going with venomous, some type of pit viper. I can't put a name to it. And the I can't get a good look at the tail. But the head shape concerns me. The rat's have a less pronounced diamond shape in the pics I found.

    Next time get really close so you can see if he has vertical pupils. Look into his eyes!!!
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    +1 vote for rat snake

    cute little bugger he is
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    Sorry, any snake forfeits his rights if he gets too close to me. Don't like em. Same goes for a few other species. Call me old fashioned.
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    Here's proof...
    Google Image Result for http://www.scserp.com/SCSPhotoGalleryRatSnakesFullSizeImages/BlackRatSnakeJuvenile001.jpg

    Open up the Juvenile Black Rat Snake pic...top row, fourth pic.
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    I love snakes--even venomous ones--and only kill them when I have no other choice. I once had to shoot a water moccasin with a .38 Special shotshell because it was unavoidable, and I did feel a pang of regret (but not guilt) even though I acted correctly.

    This may seem odd to some people, but I believe that snakes--even the venomous ones--save far more peoples' lives than they take.

    Consider that about 25% of the world's grain supply is consumed by rats, and please consider that rats spread a lot of diseases even here in the United States.

    Even though bubonic plague is rare (thank Buddha), Lyme disease, leptospirosis, babesiosis, and many other nasty illnesses are spread by rats and mice.

    Further, rats and mice are somewhat intelligent and they will vacate an area that is infested with snakes. Having snakes around my house scares them away without me resorting to poison and traps.

    Lastly, there are lifesaving medications that come from snake venom. I don't know the trade name of the medication, but there is a specific medicine for treating an abnormal heart rhythm (atrial fibrillation, for Paramedic70002) which comes from a venomous snake.

    Our world is better off with them in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by retsupt99 View Post
    Here's proof...
    Google Image Result for http://www.scserp.com/SCSPhotoGalleryRatSnakesFullSizeImages/BlackRatSnakeJuvenile001.jpg

    Open up the Juvenile Black Rat Snake pic...top row, fourth pic.
    OK, look at the eyes. The rat snake has eyes that are more exposed and bugged out looking. A rattlesnake has eyes that inset more to protect them during the strike. You can barely see the eyes in Mike's pic. I could be wrong, but I still don't trust that head. It's to strongly triangular and the neck is too pronounced. Screams venomous to me. Either way, I let most snakes go on their way.
    I prefer to live dangerously free than safely caged!

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