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    Quote Originally Posted by Pocketcarry View Post
    when was the last time you walked across the border into Mexico? When in Mexico you had better have your id on you or you could and will be taken to jail. When you come back across, you state your country and name. Don't joke around and answere the questions. Wake up America, its time to take the county back. We have done it before and we can and will do it again. I am 70 years old and do not mind standing and fighting for my rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopyard View Post
    So, if they can not identify you and YOU Mr. Azchevy don't have a Green Card then what? They ask for your passport? Well, do you keep your passport with you? Of course not. And they won't bother you because you look a certain way. Now do you understand the problem?



    It was already explained that he is a US citizen, born in the United States. He speaks with a heavy accent because he was raised in Korea. He looks "Korean." So when he is stopped, do you expect him to produce "papers?" Does AZ expect him to produce papers? And why him, not you? The only difference is he looks different.





    Read with some comprehension sir. I told you he is a native born U.S. citizen, just like you are I presume. He is eligible to be President, unlike naturalized citizens. Yet, under AZ law he could and would be singled out.



    It clearly does not, because my friend and my wife are not required to walk around with papers any more than you are.



    How about you gain some understanding of the way the world really is instead of the way you imagine it to be.

    DZCarry states it succinctly. "Please show me where, in federal immigration law, a Mexican American natural born citizen of the US must carry around their Passport so that they can prove they are a natural born citizen rather than an illegal Mexican immigrant that just hopped the border. "

    I'll go further. Please show me anywhere in any law other than AZ's present misguided one, that any US citizen must carry any papers when just walking down the street.

    That's not what the Hiibs ruling was about.
    Hopyard your ignorance of the system amazes me. Maybe you should contact ICE and your local law enforcement find out how they identify individuals. My soon to be wife and her whole family are AMERICAN natural born citizens of mexican descent ( not mexican american as you so INSULTINGLY put it) and they are not concerned and can identify themselves.

    you and Dzcarry are delusionally trying to say citizens have to carry paperwork and putting words in people mouths. YOU DONT HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF.... UNLESS YOU COMMIT A CRIME OR ARE SUSPECTED OF SUCH. Why can you not understand that? Why are you ignoring this fact? I look hispanic and I am NOT WORRIED. It is business as usual.


    please stay out of AZ and when TX passes similar laws move to some liberal sanctuary city where you can feel safe among the masses of illegals. I will stay right here with the AMERICANS, not the mexican americans, italian americans, african americans.... etc etc but the AMERICANS

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    Oh and the next time you go through a DUI checkpoint or are pulled over by the PD, Hopyard, tell them that you are not required to carry identification or paperwork and dont't have to produce any paperwork.... and get back to us on how that works out for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    If we don't get a grip on the border, eventually we wont have to. There will be no border.

    We cannot sustain the present rate of infiltration by illegals. What hasn't been addressed here but is a very valid concern is not only the Mexicans that sneak across, but sworn enemies of the U.S...people that want to kill us because we speak English or worship a different God than they do. In the Senator's speech,she mentions a rancher that finds not only dead bodies, but two Korans.

    Now think people, how many does two discarded books really represent? I can assure you that it is more than two people.

    The border is unsecured. There are spots on it that a tank division could sneak across. What little border patrols we have are outgunned, out-manned, and out politicked.

    This isn't about profiling or any other of the buzzwords used by idiots that cant figure it out. This is about the security of our country and our homes...yet some would have me do nothing because I might hurt the feelings of someone that looks Mexican.

    Since the Feds wont do it, then get them out of the way and let the states do it. California wont do it, they are already lost and have been for years. Let Arizona,New Mexico and Texas do what they need to do to protect their citizens so at least they are secure in their homes and properties. Right now, many of our citizens are not. They scream for relief and nothing is done because of double speak,political correctness and mamby-pamby liberalists that care only about themselves.

    I applaud the efforts of Arizona and pray that other states follow.

    I say either lead, follow or get the heck out of the way.
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    I tried to say the same thing early on in this thread. HotGuns just said it better. Thank you for your post and understanding the urgency of our illegal alien problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Your post just shows how ignorant, uninformed, and uneducated the detractors to this law is.

    Please try to keep up with current events before slamming them blindly. Seriously



    is that clear enough for you?

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    ^^^ This just shows how much difficulty proponents of this bill have with reading comprehension.

    Please note where I said:
    The Arizona legislature so much as admitted that they went too far when they amended the bill over the weekend to specify that a LEO can only ask for proof of citizenship "for any lawful stop, detention or arrest".
    Go on then... go back and read it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Oh and the next time you go through a DUI checkpoint or are pulled over by the PD, Hopyard, tell them that you are not required to carry identification or paperwork and dont't have to produce any paperwork.... and get back to us on how that works out for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    you and Dzcarry are delusionally trying to say citizens have to carry paperwork and putting words in people mouths. YOU DONT HAVE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF.... UNLESS YOU COMMIT A CRIME OR ARE SUSPECTED OF SUCH. Why can you not understand that? Why are you ignoring this fact?
    I'm fully aware of the fact that AZ amended the law over the weekend so that NOW LEOs can only question your citizenship if you are stopped, detained, or arrested. In fact, if you would have actually read what I said you would have seen that I mentioned the change in my post.

    What is delusional is the fact that you refuse to see the inequity in this law. What is delusional is that you refuse to see how this law goes over and above federal law rather than mirror it.

    But, you know what, if you actually do look "Mexican" I suppose you'll finally realize the inequity once you've been pulled over and detained for the umpteenth time because a LEO has to "verify" your citizenship...
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    Boycott CA, not AZ

    I was watching TV and a commercial came on with celebreties and Mr. and Mrs. Governor asking people to please visit California.

    Remembering the crazy reaction to the AZ law, I visited the website and sent the following message to web@visitcalifornia.com.

    Boycott California, not Arizona.

    Due to the recent and shameful actions of California Senate President Darrell Steinberg (D-Sacramento) and other city leaders to attempt to punish Arizona for daring to uphold the law, I will not be visiting your state, but instead will be spending my tourism dollars in Arizona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azchevy View Post
    Oh and the next time you go through a DUI checkpoint or are pulled over by the PD, Hopyard, tell them that you are not required to carry identification or paperwork and dont't have to produce any paperwork.... and get back to us on how that works out for you.
    That would have been a clever little snipe at Hopyard if it weren't for the fact that you have completely misread his words and the Hiibs case.

    There is a very big difference between giving someone your name (which is all that is needed to identify yourself) and having to prove that you are an American citizen.
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    District Under Fire for Enrolling Students from Mexico

    Forget the law, just bus them over the border on our dime, we don't care it's just our tax money?
    AJO, Ariz. - The state Department of Education is calling on a southern Arizona school district to return nearly $1.2 million of state funding on grounds that the district illegally provided free education to Mexican students not living in Arizona during three recent school years.

    State Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Horne says state auditors found that the students involved claimed to live in Arizona but actually reside in Mexico and crossed the border daily to attend school in the Ajo Unified School District.

    A Pima County school bus was documented on video crossing the border, picking up children, and bringing them to an Ajo public school.

    Click here to see the video, taped by a Department of Education employee.

    Horne, who is running for Arizona Attorney General, says that the issue is residency, not citizenship or documentation.

    Ajo Superintendent Robert Dooley says the district relied on documentation provided by Pima County and that district officials have no desire to break the law. He says he anticipates state and the district will try to negotiate an agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    This isn't about profiling or any other of the buzzwords used by idiots that cant figure it out. This is about the security of our country and our homes...yet some would have me do nothing because I might hurt the feelings of someone that looks Mexican.
    You are right, this isn't about buzzwords. This isn't even about immigration. It is about the rights of citizens.

    Most people who are upset about this bill are upset because it abridges the rights of citizen. I'm certainly not for illegal immigration nor am I in support of amnesty for those who are already here illegally.

    What is truly shocking to me is how quick Americans are willing to throw their rights under the bus in the name of "national security".

    I bet you all wouldn't be so happy to fall in line for "national security" if the governemnt decided that guns were a threat and had to be confiscated to protect our "national security".

    You all aren't even sheep... you are lemmings being led over the cliff to the tune of "national security... it's for national security." Do you all have any idea how many of the greatest human atrocities were committed in the name of "national security"?

    Since 9/11 American citizens have been losing our rights at break neck speed. The government has access to all of our information including medical records. The government can listen in to your conversations at will. The government can detain you indefinitely without due process of the law. And now the latest injustice, this time from the state of AZ, American citizens can be detained until their citizenship is "verified".

    I don't believe nor will I ever accept that the government has the right to shred the constitution and trounce all over my rights because of whatever reason they choose so long as they say it's for "national security."

    We can keep ourselves safe and keep the constitution intact. We can protect our borders without abridging the rights of citizens.

    If at the end of all this debate we have secure borders but hardly any rights left what exactly has been achieved? Wake up and smell the coffee, rights abridged for some equals rights abridged for all.
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    ^^^^^^^^^You all aren't even sheep... you are lemmings ^^^^^^^^^

    Just looked in the mirror.......I know what a sheep looks like and I don't look like that. What does a lemming look like? I support the bill
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guns and more View Post
    I have a solution.
    Immigrants love Mexico. I can tell because they wave the Mexican flag and speak the Mexican language.
    Let's require the same for an immigrant here that Mexico requires of immigrants there. Simple, huh? You want the U.S. to be like Mexico, how could you argue with this?

    Okay, you need to have identification on you at all times, you need a visa to work. Happy now?

    Don't like it? Complain to Mexico. They must be racist hate mongers.
    Awesome!

    Quote Originally Posted by 21bubba View Post
    Do you really think this one bill is going to stop illegal immigration?
    Nope, but at least someone is getting off their butt to get it started.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pocketcarry View Post
    when was the last time you walked across the border into Mexico? When in Mexico you had better have your id on you or you could and will be taken to jail.
    In Mexico, today, a proper ID and papers may not keep you out of jail. They do as they please there and do not care what America thinks about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by DZcarry View Post
    You are right, this isn't about buzzwords. This isn't even about immigration. It is about the rights of citizens.
    Most of the immigrants, who are LEGAL citizens, do not oppose this bill at all. Many, if not most of them, are actually in favor of this action. So don't go saying it is about citizens rights. Citizens have nothing to fear about this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by DZcarry View Post
    Most people who are upset about this bill are upset because it abridges the rights of citizens. I'm certainly not for illegal immigration nor am I in support of amnesty for those who are already here illegally.

    What is truly shocking to me is how quick Americans are willing to
    throw their rights under the bus in the name of "national security".
    I don't feel anyones rights are being thrown anywhere except the rights of American citizens to decide to control illegal immigration.

    Quote Originally Posted by DZcarry View Post
    I bet you all wouldn't be so happy to fall in line for "national security" if the government decided that guns were a threat and had to be confiscated to protect our "national security".
    We are already fighting that battle and, so far, we are winning.

    Quote Originally Posted by DZcarry View Post
    We can keep ourselves safe and keep the constitution in tact. We can protect our borders without abridging the right of citizens.
    And your suggestion for a method of doing this is. . . .??


    Quote Originally Posted by DZcarry View Post
    If at the end of all this debate we have secure borders and hardly any rights left what exactly has been achieved? Wake up and smell the coffee, rights abridged for some equals rights abridges for all.
    If, at the end of this debate, we lose even more control of our border and control over illegal immigration and it is YOUR family threatened or injured by an illegal alien criminal from, say Mexico, then what will your thoughts be?

    Is this the perfect solution? No. But if we don't have the ability to question those who might be suspect then how do we find the ones who are here illegally?
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    Nope, but at least someone is getting off their butt to get it started.



    And I'm glad that they are doing same. I just believe that it's going to take much more.

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