This is a discussion on immigration bill within the Off Topic & Humor Discussion forums, part of the The Back Porch category; Does anybody have a link that takes you to the actual letter of the law? If the law is written as it's portrayed in the ...
Does anybody have a link that takes you to the actual letter of the law?
If the law is written as it's portrayed in the Times article, I would expect it's just a matter of time before it's ruled unconstitutional. Since when in the U.S. can one be forced to carry around documentation proving your status, or any documentation for that matter? The article states "It also makes it a state crime — a misdemeanor — to not carry immigration papers." So if I'm an American citizen that immigrated here in the 50's, I'm a criminal if I don't carry around some kind of immigration paper?
I'm also rather stunned at how many people on here support a law that gives the government (State government in this case) powers it does not have under the Constitution. When you start willingly signing away your rights, how long do you think it will be until the government tries to take away rights that you hold dear? Totalitarian governments do not take away peoples rights but gets people to willingly turn them over through fear and prejudice.
Just remember that when they come for your gun in the name of public safety. I haven't read the "actual" law so If I'm misinterpreting it, I apologize.
I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.
The more I think about it, I don't see why jail time should be off the table for the people responsible in hiring the illegal immigrants. When you boil it down, an individual person or people made a conscious decision to break the law and several other people had to allow or otherwise condone this illegal activity. Because of this, we have a thriving job market for illegal aliens that will continue to cross the border for those jobs. How is this not worthy of jail time?
64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
I still say all the illegals will go home if we would just do away with cash. No cash=no illegals, also would hammer the illegal drug trade. Completely paperless monetary system.
Would that be the same one that it talks about in the Book of Revelation?Completely paperless monetary system.
That no man can buy or sell without a mark?
Not a laughing matter at all. Biometric info required by every citizen in the U.S. has already been discussed as a way to ensure citizenship.
The moneyless ,no cash system that you propose has already been discussed in great detail. Its just a matter of time really.
When it does happen, I'm going to laugh my ass off at all of the people that said it would never happen here...
This immigration mess we are in will be used as a tool to justify and implement it.
I did not propose this, and oppose it very much. I do most of my business in cash. I prefer it that way.
64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.
Me too...as long as I can anyway. I think that the Feds are using this immigration fiasco as a tool to push other things. I hope I'm wrong.
I do understand that you don't want to be the cop and as an employer don't want the trouble and burden. I'd feel the same way if I was a small employer. But, I hope I would be ethical enough to not knowingly hire illegals. On a generous day I might buy one a bus ticket home and fix him up with a meal for the trip.
Add to that, the local roofing companies picking up gangs of illegal roofers and driving them 30 miles out into the country and dropping them off.
Add to that an accident I saw from my front porch 2 years ago-
A large gang of illegals had been bricking a house using scaffolding and doing a decent job. Then it happened, an uncompleted brick wall fell over on a worker. I saw the white boss using his cell phone so I assumed he had called the ambulance as one of the illegals was badly torn up. But nope, after about 5 minutes, they loaded him in the back of a pickup truck and drove away. Towards the river. Opposite of the hospital and urgent care facility that are within a mile of this spot. I called the cops. The illegals scattered, the ones they caught denied everything. The white boss denied everything. And that was the end of it.
Did they dump him in the river? I don't know. I hope not.
Getting them out of this country is as much for our good as it is theirs. People here where I live are tired of it. Tired of the gov doing nothing. And people here are beginning to take action themselves.
As far as the revelations thing goes, I don't believe in the bible. So it reference means nothing to me.
I don't have a permit and I deal with illegals on a daily basis in my job.
What you see as backpedaling is actually the realization that contrary to what I usually post, they are human beings. I usually do see illegals as "less than human".
There was another post in a thread, not this one, that made me reconsider my stance on the issue. There was no "backpedaling" as you claim, but rather a publc aknowledgement that my previous post was wrong.
Maybe you should go back to school and learn to read, or I should learn to write more clearly. As for your being sick, call someone that cares, because I don't.
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As we both know, there are times when it is legal to kill another human being.
I am frustrated and angry. Angry at the federal government for failing to do it's job. Angry at the Ranchers and Farmers that hire them to produce thier produce or cattle. Angry at the Meat Packers and Construction Companies that use them to keep profit up and cost down.
In short, I AM ANGRY!
With that anger comes a devaluation of the human worth, much like the Peso. The misguided notion of the "hardworking mexican" that comes over here to better his station in life is misguided and far from correct for the majority of them, as far as I can see. Yes, I do see them as "less than human" generally, and they prove it to me daily in my interactions with them.
I'm tired and angry. If that offends, I don't much care. I realize that my views are draconian. Heck, you should see my views on crime and punishment. There would be no third offenses, as you would be executed after the second conviction.
As far as the Hunting Permit, the details would need to be worked out by the legislative body that enacted the law.
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Get it back on track people!