May 5th, 2010 11:22 PM
When gas goes up!!
OK, Oil rig in the Gulf blows up and spews millions of barrels of oil. All future drilling is now off the table. Oil refinery in Texas blows up. (weird huh?) Now supplies will dwindle quickly. What is going to happen when gas shoots up to 5, 6, or 7 dollars a gallon? The economy will tank. There may be thousands more without homes. Perhaps a lot of violence? I have a very bad feeling about the next 3-6 months. What are your thoughts?
May 5th, 2010 11:38 PM
Wholesale cost on gas has dropped 20 cents over the past two days, oil wells, inventory and such has less to do with oil prices vs speculates, they are the driving force in oil / gas prices, we need to get them out of the loop.
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May 6th, 2010 12:06 AM
As long as there's no panic buying we should be all right. Gas and diesel historically go up in the Summer as these are our driving months or they
use to be.There's no such thing as a Sunday drive in my house anymore as that went by the wayside in 1974.We decided we were going to use less
and make the price gougers choke on their oil!
May 6th, 2010 12:07 AM
I'll do the same thing I did when gas here went up over $4 a gallon and there were shortages. I rode my bicycle and motorcycle. A quarter tank in my van lasted me a month. The motorcycles get used a bit more, but at 55+ mpg, it's a lot better.
Just like being prepared for other emergencies, I refuse to be so totally dependent on fossil fuel that I can't function.
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May 6th, 2010 12:25 AM
This is why I choose to take the bus. Its a pain sometimes especially when you are sitting next to someone straight out of the mental ward but you gotta do what you gotta do.
May 6th, 2010 01:16 AM
I don't see it nearly so dire as suggested.
Current rate of leakage: a couple hundred thousand gallons per day.
Originally Posted by HollowpointHank
For reference, the Exxon Valdez mess was 11M gallons, total.
A standard barrel of oil is 42 gallons. Refined, we end up with ~20 gals of automotive gasoline, with the rest going to other products (avgas, fuel oils, distillates, etc).
I'm assuming operations on all other platforms will continue, near-future politics will attempt to slow some deals in the works, and that the long-run drilling off-shore will continue to increase as the number new fields found dwindle. Can't see it being off the table for "all future." People's attention span simply isn't that long.
All future drilling is now off the table.
That one refinery hasn't been obliterated. And it only handles 14K bbls/day. Based on USA consumption of 20M bbls/day and production of 9M bbls/day, 14K bbls represents ~0.07% and shouldn't do much more than be a "blip" on the oil futures market.
Oil refinery in Texas blows up. (weird huh?) Now supplies will dwindle quickly.
One rig out of commission, and one refinery (14K bbls/day) temporarily unapproachable? In the past 18mos, prices peaked near ~$5/gal at the pump for automotive gasoline in the USA. Can't see it going anywhere near that, simply based on one rig's valves toasted and one refinery temporarily inaccessible. Check the oil futures at end of day Friday, this week. While I'm no global petro analyst, unless they suggest barrel prices in the range of $200/bbl within 12mos then I highly doubt we'll see the sort of prices or plunges suggested.
What is going to happen when gas shoots up to 5, 6, or 7 dollars a gallon? The economy will tank. There may be thousands more without homes. Perhaps a lot of violence? I have a very bad feeling about the next 3-6 months.
Other than that, the coming several years is going to be interesting. It's certainly getting more volatile. As are people.
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May 6th, 2010 07:18 AM
Have you noticed what a tanking economy and a crushing debt has done to Greece? A lot of rioting and violence...injuries and deaths.
Is the U.S. a similar kind of powder keg? Hope not.
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May 6th, 2010 08:30 AM
Unless we reign in our spending practices, the same fate awaits us; I just bought another motorcycle as a hedge against high fuel prices. It gets around 45-50mpg, so I can leave the diesel truck parked at the house.....
Hopefully, we won't be hit as hard as Greece. I don't think we will be if we take care of business in November, our economy is a lot more diversified and stronger than any of the European nations that make up their union.....
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May 6th, 2010 09:38 AM
WE have so many choices to reduce the dependency problem; if we would only make some decisions and stick with them.
During the next 10 years oil will become less expensive as more and more hybrid, plug in hybrid, and electric only vehicles hit the market.
I've been in dual fuel gasoline/natural gas vehicles in other countries, and these are really not difficult change overs if we would just do it.
Short term, yes, an energy price run up will tank the economy just as it did two years ago. While everyone blames the housing bubble, there were very many families who were managing to pay their bills until their gasoline budget
started taking an extra 200-400 a month from their wallets.
We all have a bright future here if and only if we can somehow get past the oil problem and find a better way to power our lives.
(Note, I'm not even talking about environmental issues. Just the national security and economic issues related to being dependent on Venezuela and its friends.)
May 6th, 2010 12:08 PM
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May 6th, 2010 01:52 PM
Motorcycles are fun to ride and use less fuel!
I read a comment on another threat as follow:
Iran sells oil for $168 a barrel, and buys wheat for $7 a bushel.
Solution, sell wheat for $168 a bushel, price of oil will drop!
I thought this made a lot of sense!
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May 6th, 2010 05:09 PM
Due to the historic, meteoric plunge of the DOW and company, oil fell $2.86 to settle at $77.11 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange.
True, this is probably temporary, but who knows. The global financial market is rather tumultuous right now.
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Originally Posted by UnklFungus
May 6th, 2010 05:52 PM
I was used to paying over $5 a gallon consistently before I retired and was stationed in England. When the gas crunch hit here in the U.S. I was paying $7 -$8 a gallon there. Yeah that hurt, but you learned to live with it real quick. So coming back here last year from England and paying on average $2.50 per gallon for the past year in Colorado, I've been spoiled. But when gas goes up again soon, I may start driving the car to work instead of the truck. We'll still travel because that's our hobby but we'll have to plan things a little differently. Unfortunately, I can't bring myself to buy a hybrid yet but that could change if things get really out of hand. Also, I never learned to ride a motorcycle or that would be a great option.
May 6th, 2010 06:30 PM
Stetson, you are a little off on the price of diesel. It goes up in the winter because it competes with heating oil and goes down during the summer months.
At least thats the way its been for the last 15 years that I have been driving a diesel.
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May 6th, 2010 11:03 PM
I absolutely agree with the first paragraph.
Originally Posted by Hopyard
The second, however, I totally disagree with. Hybrids are not the answer. Heck, they're not even a good short term solution. There are many less expensive and less complex vehicles that get just as good or better mileage. You start putting plug in cars on the grid, and you're really not helping at all.
The real problem is that we're a country of waste. Even with gas at relatively high prices, people are still driving all alone in their gigantic pickup trucks and SUVs. Many of these people floor the gas pedal from one red light to the next, jockeying for position at the light so they can do it again at the next light.
Fundamental change in our behaviour is going to be required. As much as we like to think technology can save us, I don't think it can. The problem is us.
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