Should the American Flag Be Banned -- in America? poll

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    Should the American Flag Be Banned -- in America? poll

    FOXNews.com - Should the American Flag Be Banned -- in America?

    Should the display of an American flag be banned, even if a school administrator feels that display could lead to fights?

    No. This is a lame decision. Teach the kids what the flag means, instead of banning it. 98% (30,248 votes)

    Yes. The safety of students comes first. 1% (172 votes)

    Not sure, but of all things to ban, the American flag would seem the least 'incendiary.' <1% (140 votes)

    Other (post a comment) 1% (382 votes)

    Total Votes: 30,942

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    California Students Sent Home for Wearing U.S. Flags on Cinco de Mayo

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    Administrators at a California high school sent five students home on Wednesday after they refused to remove their American flag T-shirts and bandannas -- garments the school officials deemed "incendiary" on Cinco de Mayo.


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    Administrators at a California high school sent five students home on Wednesday after they refused to remove their American flag T-shirts and bandannas -- garments the school officials deemed "incendiary" on Cinco de Mayo.

    The five teens were sitting at a table outside Live Oak High School in Morgan Hill, Calif., on Wednesday morning when Assistant Principal Miguel Rodriguez asked two of them to remove their American flag bandannas, the Morgan Hill Times reported. The boys told the newspaper they complied, but were asked to accompany Rodriguez to the principal's office.

    The five students -- Daniel Galli, Austin Carvalho, Matt Dariano, Dominic Maciel and Clayton Howard -- were then told they must turn their T-shirts inside-out or be sent home, though it would not be considered a suspension. Rodriguez told the students he did not want any fights to break out between Mexican-American students celebrating their heritage and those wearing American flags.

    "They said we were starting a fight," Dariano told the newspaper. "We were fuel to the fire."

    The boys told Rodriguez and Principal Nick Boden that turning their shirts inside-out was disrespectful, so their parents decided to take them home, the newspaper reports.

    "I just couldn't believe it," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mother, told the newspaper. "I'm an open-minded parent, but it's got to be on both sides. It can't be five kids singled out."

    Galli told NBC Bay Area, "They said we could wear it on any other day, but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it."

    In a statement released on Wednesday, the Morgan Hill Unified School District said it did not agree with the school's actions.

    "In an attempt to foster a spirit of cultural awareness and maintain a safe and supportive school environment, the Live Oak High School administration took certain actions earlier today," the statement read. "The district does not concur with the Live Oak High School administration's interpretation of either board or district policy related to these actions."

    Attempts to reach school officials early Thursday were not successful. A secretary told the Morgan Hill Times that Boden and Rodriguez were unavailable for comment on Wednesday.

    According to its website, Live Oak High School is a 1,300-student institution in the southern part of Santa Clara County, with most students residing in the nearby cities of Morgan Hill and San Jose.

    "The student population reflects the rich ethnic and socioeconomic diversity of the community," the website reads.

    More than 100 students were spotted wearing the colors of the Mexican flag -- red, white and green -- as they left school, including some who had the flag painted on their faces or arms, the Morgan Hill times reported.

    While bandannas of any color are banned at the school, its dress code policy does not contain references to American flags.

    "However, any clothing or decoration which detracts from the learning environment is prohibited," the policy reads. "The school has the right to request that any student dressing inappropriately for school will change into other clothes, be sent home to change, and/or be subject to disciplinary action."

    Freshman Laura Ponce, who had a Mexican flag painted on her face and chest, told the Morgan Hill Times that Cinco de Mayo is the "only day" Mexican-American students can show their national pride.

    "There was a lot of drama going on today," Ponce told the newspaper.

    Some other Mexican-American students reportedly said their flags were taken away or asked to be put away, but no other students were sent home on Wednesday.

    Eugene Volokh, a professor of law at the University of California-Los Angeles, said the students are protected under California Education Code 48950, which prohibits schools from enforcing a rule subjecting a high school student to disciplinary sanctions solely on the basis of conduct, that when engaged outside of campus, is protected by the First Amendment.

    If the school could point to previous incidents sparked by students who wore garments with American flags, they could argue that the flag is likely to lead to "substantial disruption," Volokh said.

    "If, for example, there had been fights over similar things at past events, if there had been specific threats made," he said. "But if [school officials] just say, 'Well, we think it might be offensive to people,' that's generally speaking not enough."

    Volokh said the students and their parents likely have a winning case on their hands if they decide to take the matter to court.

    "Oh yes, it's almost open and shut," he said.

    Lis Wiehl, a former federal prosecutor and a Fox News legal analyst, said the incident appears to a "blatant" violation of the students' First Amendment right to free speech. She noted that inciting violence is an exception to a First Amendment legal defense, but Wiehl said she saw no indications that the students provoked anyone.

    "Unless I'm missing something, this seems like a blatant violation of the First Amendment," said Wiehl, adding that uniforms are not required at the public school. "And they're wearing, of all horrific things, the American flag."

    FoxNews.com's Joshua Rhett Miller contributed to this report.
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    This is beyond belief, The admin should be fired and arrested for treason.


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    this is America, we are proud of what we have and we should be able to display our colors anytime anywhere. So what if it was cinco de mayo, we don't live in Mexico.

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    So on the 4th of July all of the Mexican Schools don't allow any of the children to wear a shirt with the Mexican Flag on it?
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    I'm am beside myself.

    The American flag incites violence? From who?

    Then maybe those people need to be reminded where they are....[hint: NOT Mexico]

    If the principal feels he needs to restore order, then he needs to remove the party inciting violence [hint #2: It's NOT the people with the American flag]

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    Welcome to AMERICA. We have the AMERICAN FLAG here. Don't like it? Get out.
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    Welcome to AMERICA. We have the AMERICAN FLAG here. Don't like it? Get out.



    AGREED!

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    Did they cancel the Pledge of Alliegence too? Did they take all the AMERICAN FLAGS down at the school?

    America, like it or get he out!!!!

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    Just wondering how many of those Hispanic kids really know what Cinco de Mayo is about and its origin?

    NO! on banning the flag.

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    I like our flag. I find it tacky to wear our flag as clothing but if some wishes to it's their choice.

    Cinco was a big battle in a little town. The only significance it has in the US is that it slowed down supplies to confederate army. The French were helping the confederate army and this battle cut off much needed supplies for awhile. The Confederate army might have gone on another year with the continued help of France.

    This battle did not kick France out of Mexico. Mexico wasn't paying interest on money owed so France came over to heavy hand them. A year later the French took over Mexico City. They left Mexico a year later. Not sure why. I suppose they ran out of money or the heat got to them:)

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    How about just banning the folks that would be offended by our flag?

    They dont like it, they can go back to where they came from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotGuns View Post
    How about just banning the folks that would be offended by our flag?

    They dont like it, they can go back to where they came from.
    I think we need that as a new law here in Arizona............Just saying.

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    stupid bleeding hearts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpencerB View Post
    this is America, we are proud of what we have and we should be able to display our colors anytime anywhere. So what if it was cinco de mayo, we don't live in Mexico.
    Ditto !

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