So I had A Talk With Some Arrogant Census Bureau Guy..

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    The arrogance here, Mr. 2nd Amend, is yours. You have decided that you are above the law, can pick and choose those parts of the Constitution you will abide by, and have appointed yourself sole arbiter of what is necessary under the law.

    Again, it must be cool to have such wisdom, insight, and power...

    And Paymeister, thanks. I know I don't always see eye to eye with everyone on everything (what fun would that be?), but I do try to be reasonable above all else. When faced with the complete absence of reason - as in some posts here - I can tend to respond with dismissal. I don't see that it (the lack of reason) deserves much else.
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    It's kinda funny how we all (and I mean me, too) are so skeptical of the census and the info therein... all that private information, and more, is already in the possession of the IRS.
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    Comment for zacii and all

    Quote Originally Posted by zacii View Post
    It's kinda funny how we all (and I mean me, too) are so skeptical of the census and the info therein... all that private information, and more, is already in the possession of the IRS.
    Which really does raise the issue of whether and how we might be able to accomplish the same goals of the census with more cost effective means than our somewhat futile effort to physically count everyone.

    IRS data by itself isn't sufficient because there are plenty of people who for one reason or another don't file or don't need to file, but (if it were legal) mining that data along with statistical sampling and other methods could get us pretty darn good counts, with somewhat less expense.

    Short of some freeze-frame magic snapshot, taken at 12:01 AM on the appointed day, there is no way to get a truly accurate count.

    I don't like the thought of changing our constitution as attempting to do that opens the door to mischief makers among the pols., but physical enumeration is certainly a bit ah, 18th century in a 21st century world. We need to find a better way.

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    I certainly agree that there could be a better way, but, as you said - it's quite clearly stated in the Big C. And along that "slippery slope," there are many who would consider the 2nd Amendment to be the epitome of an 18th century idea in a 21st century world...
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    I recieved no form in the mail. This is probably due to the fact that There is no mail delivered to my street address.

    Yesterday I had a census taker arrive. He was one of the Long haired halfbreed indians that lives on the other side of town (sort of resembles me). He was polite, asked his questions, and left.

    The process was completely painless. Had they sent a "Suit" out to ask the questions I might have been less inclined to answer all them.

    Ten years ago they sent out a "Self important Buisness Woman", some of my answers were "Not Applicable".

    Appearance and attitude make a big difference in my responce.

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    Raevan, I understand your point, certainly, and census workers absolutely should be polite and professional... However, you are still required by law to answer all of the questions truthfully, even if the questioner is the proverbial

    This, I guess, is my point. It's the law. It's not invasive, it shouldn't be any sort of hassle, and it isn't being used to select those of us who are going to the internment camps when the New World Order Alien Socialist Pelosi Army comes to collect us all up...

    It's the Census. Do your civic duty (all thirty seconds of it), and get on with life.
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    The point is the questions on the form 10 years ago were different then this years and were more intrusive. I answered them truthfully to my understanding. N/A is a valid answer on any questionair regardless of who it is from. I don't remember all the questions from ten years ago, I do remember that some of my answeres were N/A.

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    Actually in his statement he stated a negative to it being used for districts. So I would actually read the post again. So as was even said, carry ok it is not used for districts, though I think for gremial reasons not would have been more correct. And as further mentioned that is the states issues not the Federal Governments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Back 40 View Post
    . It's no used to set voting districts, which are now more and more based on race and social economic parameters. It's not just to know how many people we have.
    As far as why age, that is to help decide what needs resources where. For example are there more working age people somewhere now who need more public transportation or is an area getting older and will be using the medical system more.

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    Ha. All this emotion over something so trivial. When they repeal the unconstitutional healthcare reform act, I'll send my census in. 'Til then, they can KMA.

    Like you said, the president can't pick and choose which parts of the constitution he'll abide by. We already have enough chowderheads taking up space and $ in DC and look what it is buying us. That's some high quality representation there.

    If you feel obligated to support a regime that is destroying this country, more power to you. Don't try to take the holier than thou road and crap on other folks choices! It's also our civic duty to overthrow a govt. that can't live within the bounds of the constitution, but you don't see a lot of that going on. Must be difficult being a civil servant these days. Do you defend the constitution or the president?

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    re: alfack look up the word "sedition"

    Quote Originally Posted by alfack View Post
    ! It's also our civic duty to overthrow a govt. that can't live within the bounds of the constitution, but you don't see a lot of that going on. Must be difficult being a civil servant these days. Do you defend the constitution or the president?
    False and misleading choice.

    Bad news for you, but the president was installed according to the laws and our constitution, sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and anyone who works in the Executive Branch best protects our constitution by doing their lawful job per lawful directives of the elected leadership. How dare you call our present constitutional government "a regime?"

    No one has any right to even speak in a serious way of overthrowing our government. Think, "unpatriotic." Think, "criminal act." Think, 20 years in jail.

    Here, for your enjoyment Mr. Alfack is the actual relevant law. Read to the last paragraph so you will understand the gravity of what you just posted.

    US Code TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
    Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
    Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
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    To the moderators: Again, for about the seventy-ish time. If we are going to forbid discussion of unlawful acts at DC, this overthrow talk should get banned as well, or the purveyors of it should at least be getting some points. It is promotional discussion of unlawful acts. It is promotion of the crime of sedition. My opinion, and you guys can and should do as you wish, but that's how I see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlkx4 View Post
    Its the freaking census... Some of you guys are extremely paranoid
    It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with a little document called the "Constitution." Heard of it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul34 View Post
    It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with a little document called the "Constitution." Heard of it?
    You bet. It is the document which contains the requirement that a census be done every ten years.

    You can not be in favor of our constitution and still advocate against the census. We as individuals don't get to pick and choose which parts of our constitution we are going to follow: and certainly our sworn elected officials don't have that option either.

    So yes, this entire thread is about paranoia, because the one thing it isn't about is obeying our constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raevan View Post
    I recieved no form in the mail. This is probably due to the fact that There is no mail delivered to my street address.

    Yesterday I had a census taker arrive. He was one of the Long haired halfbreed indians that lives on the other side of town (sort of resembles me). He was polite, asked his questions, and left.

    The process was completely painless. Had they sent a "Suit" out to ask the questions I might have been less inclined to answer all them.

    Ten years ago they sent out a "Self important Buisness Woman", some of my answers were "Not Applicable".

    Appearance and attitude make a big difference in my responce.
    Your last comment is exactly my thought also, I filled out my form, but if for some reason someone would have to come to my door, no harm, no foul, just let them be pleasant and down to earth and we'll get along fine, no stuffed shirts for me either.
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    Bad news for you, but the president was installed according to the laws and our constitution, sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, and anyone who works in the Executive Branch best protects our constitution by doing their lawful job per lawful directives of the elected leadership.
    And how is this bad news for me? Bad news for everyone, the current regime is unconstitutionally over-stepping its bounds in too many areas to list.

    How dare you call our present constitutional government "a regime?"
    How dare I? It's called the first amendment.

    No one has any right to even speak in a serious way of overthrowing our government. Think, "unpatriotic." Think, "criminal act." Think, 20 years in jail.
    Wrong once again. Everybody has the right and duty to question the actions of govt. and overthrow an oppressive one. Too few people question these days. Think how this country was founded.

    You can keep your sanctimonious, melodramatic, think inside the box attitude, Mr. Hopyard. While your at it, why don't you turn me in for not sending my census? It seems like that's the type of person you are. A real hard core follower.

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    Ok, it's in our Constitution, U.S. Constitution - Article 1 Section 2, so that point is moot.

    I do understand that some just hate to give up information to the Feds period, can't say I blame you actually, say that, don't bring things into the debate that have no bearing on the discussion or that are just plain wrong, just admit you hate to give up information to the feds, that's understandable.

    I would like to say to 2ndAmend that your comment about most people here don't use their real names, very true on that point, but then again, our real names are not needed on an internet site like they are for the Census Data which is our Constitutional Duty to fill out just like the 2nd Amendment is our Constitutional Duty to uphold since both are in the Constitution.

    Above all else here folks. We all believe in the end that it's our right to carry and we all believe in our freedoms and we must be vigilant and keep them.
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