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    Oshkosh is my birthplace. I went to grade school with Charlie and Dawn. Good people.
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    Probably afraid that if they allowed the American flag they would have to allow all others as well. Gang flags etc.
    Just my guess.


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    The whole argument about "if they allow one flag, they have to allow all flags" is a lot of crap. Their contract can easily stipulate that a U.S. flag is the only exception. Done.
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    "This policy was developed to insure that we are fair to everyone as we have many residents from diverse backgrounds," the statement read. "By having a blanket policy of neutrality we have found that we are less likely to offend anyone and the aesthetic qualities of our apartment communities are maintained."
    And they all live in these United States. If they feel offended...they are free to leave...or learn to respect their new country.

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    What the hell is going on lately with all the attacks on the American flag!!!! If they have a problem with our flag then go salute the Canadian flag (in Canada of course)

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    When you live in a country that has opened its doors to soo many (like myself) you MUST addapt.
    I come from a family that emigrated Europe to South America in the worst of the 30's . My grandmother taught me respect for a flag that was not hers. When i took the American Citizenship i received the gift of choosing what i would become. If you are not ready to support the flag and consider it offensive, you should not live in a county like this, that generously opened its doors and fought for the rights of many other countries when they could not stand on their own feet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AutoFan View Post
    So the management company flies the flag itself, you can fly a flag on the balcony, but putting it in the window is somehow NOT ok?? If they want a rule that says you have to have real window treatments in the window, fine, but to say you can't have a flag visible through the window when you can fly it off the balcony is just stupid.

    They say they don't want things in the window to be offensive, but I find their policy about the American flag offensive.
    If they can fly the flag on the balcony, I'm not sure what the issue really is. Fly it on the balcony. If they really want to see it inside, hang it on a wall. I've PCSed/moved 5 times since I joined the Army, and every lease I have signed has stated that NOTHING, period, can be visible hanging in the windows except the preinstalled blinds or neutral curtains. Some have even specified white curtains. It was the same policy the one time I lived in military housing (which I've refused to do since). From a legal stand point, it's easier for them to have an "all-or-nothing" policy. They do it to maintain a uniform appearance on the outside of their apartments, because that helps them get them rented. They also fly the US Flag above the property, so I tend to beleive the window issue is a business decision, not a lack of patriotism.
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    I too sent an e-mail. Men and women dying for our freedom and these a$$holes denying the freedom to fly the AMERICAN FLAG, NATIONAL SYMBOL.

    Shame on them!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I'm with the landlord on this one.

    That apartment building is not just a rental. It is someone's business that is constantly on display to potential customers. The appearance of the building impacts sales.

    It's not about the flag being "offensive". It's about having a significant break in the exterior design.

    My rental property is a stand alone house. Such a rule there would be absolutely ridiculous. In an apartment building, it is quite reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveJay View Post
    I agree...it's a stupid policy...

    But the property owner has the right to set that policy...and have it enforced...

    People who oppose it can and should vote with their feet by moving, or not renting there...

    But those of us who served did it to protect our rights...which include property rights...
    You are correct. The owners have that right.

    I am currently serving overseas with a group of Heros and I am ashamed that this is what they see when they read the news back home. What happen to American Pride? When did people that are not proud of their country matter more than our flag?

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    Wisconsin Army Veteran Allowed to Keep Flag on Display

    By Joshua Rhett Miller

    Published May 28, 2010

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    Charlie Price, 28, of Oshkosh, Wis., and officials at Midwest Realty Management have come to a "mutual agreement" that allows the veteran to continue displaying the patriotic symbol

    A Wisconsin Army veteran -- who faced eviction this week for flying the American flag -- will now be allowed to keep the flag up for as long as he wants.

    Under mounting nationwide protest, Charlie Price, 28, of Oshkosh, Wis., and officials at Midwest Realty Management struck a "mutual agreement" that allows the veteran to continue displaying the patriotic symbol, according to a statement posted on the company's website on Thursday.

    Price and his wife, Dawn, 27, were previously told they had to remove the flag -- which hangs in a window inside the couple's apartment -- by Saturday or face eviction due to a company policy that bans the display of flags, banners and political or religious materials.

    "It means the world to me," Price told FoxNews.com. "The way it happened wasn't the right way because the staff members were getting threatened and we didn't want any violence out of this, but I'm glad we did come to a compromise."

    Randy Rich, the apartment complex's property manager, told FoxNews.com that Midwest Realty Management received nearly 4,000 e-mails and thousands of phone calls in connection to the controversy.

    "A few were questioning our policies and were civil in nature," Rich wrote in an e-mail. "However, most were filled with profanity and demeaning statements. Hundreds contained threats to our property, our employees and their families."

    Rich said a Facebook page created by Dawn Price contained personal information of some employees at the apartment complex that led to harassing messages. The company has asked her to remove that information since it "has no bearing on this situation or her goal of changing the current flag legislation," Rich's e-mail continued.

    "I will be putting a boycott on your rentals," one message reportedly read. "I will be telling anyone and everyone I know not to rent from you."

    Another reportedly read: "You are going to evict someone for displaying an American flag on Memorial Day? Shame on you for dishonoring a veteran."

    A Facebook group created by Dawn Price, "Freedom to Display the American Flag," had roughly 2,000 members on Wednesday. As of early Friday, that number had grown to more than 44,000.

    Price, who served tours of duty as a combat engineer in Iraq and Kosovo from 2000 to 2008, said he'll now work on amending the federal Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005, which states no "condominium association, cooperative association, or residential real estate management association" may stop someone from flying the American flag. The law, however, does not apply to renters.

    "I never thought it would be an issue," Price said, especially since the flag was inside his apartment. "It's a holiday when we should be able to show all of our pride and the respect for the people who fought for it, from the Civil War all the way to today."

    In a statement posted on its website on Thursday, Midwest Realty Management apologized to Price and all U.S. veterans.

    "It was never our intention to hurt the Prices or disrespect what Mr. Price and all veterans have sacrificed for each and every one of us," the statement reads.

    The company will now revise its policy to allow residents to "honor America" and display the flag in a manner similar to the Prices, who have hung the symbol in their apartment since Veterans Day.

    "Again we apologize to the Prices and anyone else who was offended by our actions," the statement continued. "It is our sincere hope that our apology will be accepted and the changes we are making will be beneficial to our company and our residents."

    Price's wife, Dawn, told FoxNews.com earlier this week that she began decorating their apartment last year to honor his eight years of service. An American flag topped off the display, she said.

    "I knew it made Charlie really proud to see that," Dawn Price said on Tuesday. "And this isn't something new. This has been up for quite some time now."

    Veterans' groups were furious at the realtors' initial refusal to allow the flag to fly.

    "As a veteran, it sickens me that the Dawn and Charlie Price's building management company would imply that the American flag could be construed as offensive by their residents," Ryan Gallucci, a spokesman for AMVETS, told FoxNews.com on Tuesday. "We're talking about our most revered national symbol. This is insulting to anyone who has defended our flag honorably, like Charlie Price."

    Charlie Price said he wanted to thank everyone who contacted him and his wife since the controversy began last week when they were told they had to remove the flag or face eviction.

    "I would like to thank all the supporters out there," he said. "We're looking to do this the right way. Right now, we're concentrating on amending [the Freedom to Display the American Flag Act of 2005] so everyone can show their pride in their country."

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    Email sent to Midwest Realty

    Thank-you for rethinking your position. Charlie Price as with many before him (myself included) proudly served under the Stars and Stripes. Until you have been there you will never understand what the flag means to us.
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    Maybe they arent aware of the public law---> http://www.coherentbabble.com/Public...2PL109-243.pdf . I've had a couple issue where I used to live. The rental office backed off quick when I sent them a copy of this. It's a . All of a sudden they were real nice to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 8plus1 View Post
    What the hell is going on lately with all the attacks on the American flag!!!! If they have a problem with our flag then go salute the Canadian flag (in Canada of course)
    Make no mistake, the attacks are directed at us. The flag is what represents us!
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