Beaver in the pond and he's got to go

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    Beavers are just jumbo muskrats...and a lot more destructive.
    They definitely have their place in nature...just not near homes/property.
    Best to pay to have him removed before he can do real damage.
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    Shoot him and then eat him. A lot of y'all think I'm crazy, but beaver is VERY good. The meat is beautiful. Just give it a try.
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    Ya'll just don't understand the Beaver's point of view. To start with, he never had a true father figure in his life.....men just floated in and out and his mother.....well, you get the picture. By the age of 12 he'd already had a run in with the DOW, and was sent to "Camp" for awhile, where he honed his skills as a truant rather than learning life skills.........now.....he's just misunderstood.....He really just needs some more "Support" and a warm place to live..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge7882 View Post
    Shoot him and then eat him. A lot of y'all think I'm crazy, but beaver is VERY good. The meat is beautiful. Just give it a try.
    I've had it before but I thought it was a little gamey and greasy. Who knows we may have had an old one.

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    Beavers won't get shot at much before thier SA goes way up. I have had to get rid of beavers from my pond several times. If you shoot and miss again you might find your self in a trap only situation.
    My recomendation would have to be pass on the next shot unless 100% sure. It is much easier to wait for a 100% sure shot than wade the perimeter of the pond setting traps. Then checking traps every day. And going out and buying a bunch of traps. And worrying that a dog will go for a swim and get in the trap. I f you do decide to go with the shotgun I would go with buckshot rather than turkey shot. It is harder to judge distance and shot drop on water than than on land. A laser range finder is cheaper than traps.
    If you find out that you have to trap the beaver I have had the best luck with a mix of Kona Bear and snares. Look for enty/exit points. Look for tunnels bored into damn and banks. Set the traps and snare at those points. Check the traps at least once every 24 hours. Mark your traps from the bank. It is very easy to miss a trap or snare. You don't want to leave a dead beaver in a trap or snare for a couple days. That leads to a gross dead beaver retrival.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back 40 View Post
    I've had it before but I thought it was a little gamey and greasy. Who knows we may have had an old one.
    You need to get ALL (or as much as possible) the fat off the meat, that is what makes beaver overly gamey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge7882 View Post
    Shoot him and then eat him. A lot of y'all think I'm crazy, but beaver is VERY good. The meat is beautiful. Just give it a try.
    Hey, I second this. May as well get some benefit from him/her. I have some beaver pelts that were given to us and they are really cool and very soft.

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    "Ward, weren't you a little hard on the Beaver last night?"
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    When I was a kid (before regulation of everything) we used to play with "cherry bombs" that had waterproof fuses - you could lite them and drop into a bucket of water. If you could get some you might slingshot them near an entrance. If that doesn't work a 1/4 stick of mine dynamite should about do it. Just think about that movie where the golf course groundskeeper chases gophers.

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    in NYS the wildlife belong's to the state no matter if it's on your property or not & you better have a permit to shoot or destroy any of them or the DEC will hang you by your you know what & a big fine to boot.

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    Carefully approach your problem my friend!

    The "Beaver Dam" correspondence between the state of Michigan and a land owner-Truth!


    Subject: Go Figure

    This is a copy of an actual letter sent to Ryan DeVries, from the
    Michigan Department of Environmental Quality, State of Michigan. Wait
    till you read this guy's response - but read the entire letter before
    you get to the response.

    Mr. Ryan DeVries
    2088 Dagget
    Pierson, MI 49339
    SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;

    Site Location: Montcalm County

    Dear Mr. DeVries:

    It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality
    that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced
    parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner
    and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:

    Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet
    stream of Spring Pond.

    A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A
    review of the Department's files shows that no permits have been issued.

    Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in
    violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource
    and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994,
    being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws
    annotated.

    The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially
    failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at
    downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently
    hazardous and cannot be permitted.

    The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all activities
    at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by
    removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the stream channel.
    All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 2002.

    Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so
    that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure
    to comply with this request or any further unauthorized activity on the
    site may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement
    action.

    We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
    Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.

    Sincerely,
    David L. Price
    District Representative


    RESPONSE:

    Dear Mr. Price,

    Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N; R10W, Sec. 20;
    Montcalm County

    Reference your certified letter dated 12/17/2000 has been referred to me
    to respond to. First of all, Mr. Ryan De Vries is not the legal
    landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan.

    I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State
    unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris"
    dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond.

    While I did not pay for, authorize, nor supervise their dam project, I
    think they would be highly offended that you call their skillful use of
    natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge your
    department to attempt to emulate their dam project any time and/or any
    place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no way you could
    ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam
    ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their
    dam work ethic.

    As to your request, I do not think the beavers are aware that they must
    first fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam
    activity. My first dam question to you is:
    (1) Are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers? or,
    (2) do you require all beavers throughout this State to conform to said
    dam request?

    If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, through
    the Freedom of Information Act I request completed copies of all those
    other applicable beaver dam permits that have been issued. Perhaps we
    will see if there really is a dam violation of P! art 301, Inland Lakes
    and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act,
    Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.3010,1 to
    324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, annotated. I have several
    concerns. My first concern is aren't the beavers entitled to legal
    representation?

    The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay
    for said representation - so the State will have to provide them with a
    lawyer.

    The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed
    during a recent rain event causing flooding is proof that this is a
    natural occurrence, which the Department is required to protect. In
    other words, we should leave the Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than
    harrass them and call their dam names. If you want the stream "restored"
    to a dam free-flow condition - please contact the beavers - but if you
    are going to arrest them they obviously did not pay any attention to
    your dam letter (being unable to read English).

    In my humble ! opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build
    their unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green
    and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I do to live
    and enjoy Spring Pond. If the Department of Natural Resources and
    Environmental Protection lives up to its name, it should protect the
    natural resources
    (Beavers) and the environment (Beavers' Dams).

    So, as far as the beavers and I are concerned, this dam case can be
    referred for more elevated enforcement action right now. Why wait until
    1/31/2002 The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and
    there will be no way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them
    then.

    In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real
    environmental quality (health) problem in the area. It is the bears.
    Bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you
    should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the beavers alone.

    If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The
    bears are not careful where they dump!)

    Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to
    contact you on your answering machine, I am sending this response to
    your office via another government organization - the USPS. Maybe,
    someday, it will get there.

    Sincerely,
    Stephen L. Tvedten
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    Office Community Relations/Accounting unit
    P.O. Box 7367
    Austin, TX 78713
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