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    Dang this stuff makes me mad. The criminal's got nothing better to do for the next 18 years (wishful thinking) than harass people on the outside. What has he got to lose, people like this don't have estates and don't hold jobs to garnish wages from. When he gets out, he's got nothing, therefore has nothing to lose. So a countersuit would almost certainly be pointless here.

    On the other hand...the greedy attorney who thinks the case has "merit" should be cleaned out and run out of town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PapaScout
    You don't shoot the BG when he starts to run away. He was unarmed at that point and the danger had passed. Time for the police to beat him with pipes. :))))
    The article said that they took the BG's pistol and were holding him for the police when he escaped. The GGs then chased him attempting to recapture him. I believe that too few who have the opportunity to hold a BG do. The attempt to rob is a crime so the GGs would be not only within their rights to hold the BG, but if some smartaleck DA wanted to he could conceivably charge the good guys with aiding the BG if they could have held him and made no attempt. I don't see any DA trying that, but what do I know stranger things have been done by DAs.
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    Yes, I thought that under a citizens arrest (and this meets that nicely since it was to stop a felony in progress) that you could use any amount of force at your disposal, up to and including firearms.

    That a citizen is not under the same guidelines or restrictions that LEO's are under.

    I would like to think that the case would be thrown out but it won't. Activist judeges love these types of cases. First they can show their "bleeding" hearts and second they get to make law.

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    Sound like they didn't beat him good enough....
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    Anyone hear the outcome of this??
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    Never underestimate what a criminal, or their family will do if you shoot or beat them defending your life. This is exactly why people get killed, because they hesitate over not wanting to get sued. I'm suprised that autozone didn't fire these guys for fighting back. Seems a lot of businesses now days like to fire employees when they defend their life.

    I think it was in Kommifornia, a guy broke into a house while people were away. He made it into the garage, door shut behind him and was locked. He couldn't get out of the garage. They came home like 3 days later to find him eating catfood lying on the floor. He sued them for false imprisonment, because they should have given a way for him to easily get out of the house.. HE WON!

    Another case, someone had rose bushes outside their windows.. a burglar got injured on them, sued.. AND WON!

    So remember to never say never, when it comes to what a criminal and a money hungry lawyer will do. As if you didn't already notice it, but our mental suffering from attacks like this doesn't seem to matter.. nobody cares that the criminal terrorized us.. we just have to be sure that we don't respond too harshly in our self defense so the bad guy isn't hurt.

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    Dana Buckman, 46, walked into an auto shop brandishing a semiautomatic pistol last summer, only to have it turned on him by two AutoZone employees, police said. The men beat Buckman with a metal pipe and held him with his own gun.
    Autozone needs to commend these two.

    Buckman escaped and was arrested a week later.
    The two much-lauded employees need better training. A criminal beaten into submission and held by a firearm escapes?

    He pleaded guilty to first-degree robbery and was sentenced to 18 years in prison as a repeat violent felon.
    As it should be.

    [an admitted and convicted felon] ... suing the auto shop and the men for the injuries he suffered and for emotional distress.
    If this hits the courts, someone's going to need a labotomy (the D.A., the judge, and anyone else associated with giving this parasite his "day in court").

    [Buckman is suing] ... claiming they ... intentionally inflicted emotional distress.
    He's emotionally distressed that he got hammered on for his armed robbery? Poor little criminal.

    "In some respects, you wonder if a case like this even needs a defense. It speaks for itself," said lawyer Patrick B. Naylon, who represents AutoZone and the employees.
    In all respects, I would think. No two ways about it.

    Nope. Haven't heard how this turned out. Can't imagine it went anywhere. But then, stranger things have happened in stranger places.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyGal View Post
    "In some respects, you wonder if a case like this even needs a defense. It speaks for itself," said lawyer Patrick B. Naylon, who represents AutoZone and the employees.
    This is a statement reminiscent of the injury cases fought by corporate America over product liability suits over the last 25 years. The battleground has changed, but not the tactics.

    I hope Auto Zone has security cameras that get this case tossed out like the garbage it is.

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    But lawyer Phillip R. Hurwitz, who represents Buckman, said the employees crossed the line by pursuing Buckman and attacking him.

    "The danger was past," Hurwitz said. "These two employees took it upon themselves to go after Mr. Buckman after he left the store."
    If proven true, this is probably a legal issue with some unfortunate merit, but it makes me ill!

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    the bg needs a better cellmate if he's got this much time on his hands...

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    "The danger was past," Hurwitz said. "These two employees took it upon themselves to go after Mr. Buckman after he left the store."
    Quote Originally Posted by Rock and Glock View Post
    If proven true, this is probably a legal issue with some unfortunate merit ...
    Let's turn the tables. Had the person chasing the BG been armed and carrying a CHL, would it have been different? Were the crime that of stealing a candy bar, instead of armed robbery, would that change anything?
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    shoplifting isnt a felony, just a misdemeanor. significant difference, apples and oranges.

    someone thats passed over to the point they'll commit armed robbery is a threat to others, the community at large, and should be apprehended.

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    Wink Appropriate Response and Appropriate Force: A Grey Area

    Quote Originally Posted by ccw9mm View Post
    Let's turn the tables. Had the person chasing the BG been armed and carrying a CHL, would it have been different? Were the crime that of stealing a candy bar, instead of armed robbery, would that change anything?
    Of course. That fella up in Minnesota that recently chased those BG's down is finding that out the hard way methinks.

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    How did the AutoZone employees know the BG wasn't going after another weapon to be used against them?? If the BG could get one gun (illegally), wouldn't it be reasonable to think he could get two (illegally)?

    Sounds like the employees were protecting themselves from a future robbery attempt by the same BG....

    ...They should have cracked his ankles with the pipe...

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